Who is The Mars Volta's creative force

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 FruMp wrote:

 CaincelaOreinim wrote:

God forbid you people should learn some new words and be challenged a little bit.  I happen to like his lyrics with "meaning" and "sense" these days being in my eyes highly overrated/reached an apogee of familiarity, false sentiment, and stagnation.   For the most part that is...you know, exceptions to every rule.  Cedric's lyrics hark back to the surrealists, if you're not familiar with their techniques it's your loss I suppose or if you are, then you don't like them, move on.  

I'm rendered much more effusive by music these days without actual words and their "intent" which is fallacious and open to interpretation to begin with getting in the way.  I approach vocals as just another music track...with only slight attention paid to the lyrics; I find most people who cling to "what someone's trying to say" to be problematic to say the least...there is no way to gauge what another is thinking period so they (being the lyrics) can only speak for yourself.   

If you want "meaning" perspicuous or spelled out for you listen to someone far more digestible...that's all...if you want to interpret, think for yourself, be challenged a little bit and not be dismissive when things "don't make sense" then CBZ's lyrics are for you.  

Scathing.

I'm the kinda guy who enjoys well considered paintings that convey beautiful imagery be it realistic or surrealistic, it seems to me like you're a big Jackson Pollock fan - we'll never agree on this but I'll elaborate on my position anyway.

I personally don't really listen to vocals that much or pay attention to lyrics but in my view why would you have someone talking gibberish which is left open to your interpretation when you could have someone sing exactly the same yet with clever metaphors, an engaging story and humour. This is my personal opinion and it's a predictable insinuation that you made that people who hold my opinion or similar opinions are simpletons unable to think for themselves - maybe we are but we hate it regardless. Anyway If that were really the case then why the hell am I on prog archives in the first place?

So can we assume that many of Jon Anderson's lyrics in the early to mid 70s affect you in the same way ? Along with some Gabriel & Crimson word plays ...
I do see what you mean. Some lyrics almost figure better as "music", i.e. the vocal as another instrument in the mix. But I'd hate to see musicians, or rather lyricists staying away from that style. After all, one could make a musical comparison to some of Krautrock or Fusion where there seems to be no "organization" or "structure" apparent to the composition. But some groups carry it off, & some don't (As Cedric seems unable to do for you). But then there are still people arguing over what Stairway to Heaven is about. 