Announcing the Prog-Metal split |
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william314159
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 24 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 144 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 21:21 | ||
i absolutely agree
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Man With Hat
Collaborator Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166178 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 21:06 | ||
Nice job guys!
Though I didn't see the need for the split (though I am no expert on metal), it was done quite well and the explinations are quite clear as well. (Overall better than another recent split ).
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I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
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Dim
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 17 2007 Location: Austin TX Status: Offline Points: 6890 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 19:30 | ||
WHOA!?!?!?!?!?
Opeth and Tool are in Post/experimental?!?!?!?!?!
BAD move! Lets keep them in PM so the other bands can shine!
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 18:37 | ||
Here, here for the "not in any way you must be crazy this isn't prog" sub-genre.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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debrewguy
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 17:08 | ||
I think AC/DC should be included here as THE one clear definition of all that is not prog. They could have their own genre at PA - "What the F**k did you just call us ? " |
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 16:01 | ||
No AC/DC either? Huh huh huh, heh heh heh, etc. etc. etc.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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TheProgtologist
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 15:58 | ||
Sorry but no.Our addition standards do not change one bit because of this,and we didn't create these sub-genres to allow bands on the fringe to be included in the archives.
Also...M@x gave a very definite and implicit NO for the possible addition of Metallica so that means case closed and let's move on,they won't ever be here.
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debrewguy
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 14:56 | ||
I add my congrats. And a big hand for the idea to include or rather describe "mini" sub-genres for each of the three to help better define them. I don't suppose that other existing genres might receive this treatment. The new Art Rock divisions could maybe use that sort of sub-division for clarifications. |
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Nightfly
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 01 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3659 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 14:50 | ||
Excellent, a good move guys. I appreciate your efforts in making a great site even better! There's certainly enough diversity in Prog Metal to warrant such changes.
Would this move allow for the introduction of bands who may have been on the fringes of the scope of Prog Archives. Metallica for example whilst primarily a Thrash Metal band, at least in their early days have had quite a few epics over their albums. Master of Puppets being an obvious example. Edited by Nightfly - October 23 2007 at 14:58 |
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Trickster F.
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Belize Status: Offline Points: 5308 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 13:22 | ||
Ved Buens Ende - Tech/Extreme? Definitely not.
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sleeper
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 12:40 | ||
Someone mentioned Indukti to the Experimental/Post metal section, I agree with this and also I would send Tool there for the obvious similarities between the two bands (Tool seem to be THE major influence on Indukti) IMO.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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FruMp
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 16 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 322 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 12:26 | ||
I'll give you a clip across the ears if you change things now, the genres suit very well.
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21206 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 08:50 | ||
^ please continue to post your thoughts ... the whole split is not carved in stone yet, and we (the team) will continue to discuss, weigh considerations, move bands back and forth until we finally reach a point where we consider it done. We also need a moment to let the new situation "sink in", browse the new categories and try to determine whether things feel right.
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JayDee
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: September 07 2005 Location: Elysian Fields Status: Offline Points: 10063 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 08:41 | ||
Got your point mate. Noted. |
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21206 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 08:35 | ||
^ my bad ... but what I said also makes sense for DT/Tool.
BTW: Even with this split it will still be possible to build a page which lists all the bands. So the desire to have a top list which features both DT, Tool (and Opeth) should not be a reason to be against the split. It's also currently not possible to have both King Crimson and Genesis appear in a "key albums" list for a genre ... |
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MonkeyphoneAlex
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 27 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 234 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 08:35 | ||
I'm all for the split. It may be confusing at first, but in the long run, it will improve our understanding of the music and the differences between the genres.
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"Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is THE BEST."
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JayDee
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Posted: October 23 2007 at 08:29 | ||
Opeth and DT in the same genre? No. I meant Tool and DT Mike.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 23 2007 at 08:19 | ||
^ Of course if one were to make a top 20 list of the best, most popular and influential bands of prog metal that list would contain both Dream Theater and Opeth. But does that mean they have to be in the same genre? If you look at the great Prog Rock bands you'll also find that they're scattered across many genres.
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JayDee
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Posted: October 23 2007 at 08:03 | ||
I found Tool in Experimental Metal category. I'm much comfortable tagging them as together with DT.
I agree with your views about Opeth.
So far so good.
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FruMp
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 16 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 322 |
Posted: October 23 2007 at 05:11 | ||
A round of applause for the prog metal team, I think this move was a long time coming, there was simply too much variation between bands in the prog metal genre I mean between Dream Theater, Isis and Atheist there aren't many similarities besides the fact they play a heavy form of progressive music.
I also think that the new genres cover the vast majority of prog metal bands in the best way possible, I'm particularly pleased with the extreme/tech subgenre, wow and it seems the vast majority of my prog metal reviews fall in that genre, I don't even have any for experimental/post metal. Edited by FruMp - October 23 2007 at 05:21 |
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