Announcing the Prog-Metal split

darqdean wrote: sinkadotentree wrote: Very interesting with ANATHEMA, IN THE WOODS.. and THE GATHERING in Post Metal. if you look at the direction they all took with their later albums it's not so surprising.

We decided to take "Experimental" a little bit more literal than it is being used in "Experimental/Post-Rock" ... like you already mentioned in a later post the new category "Experimental/Post-Metal" will actually be a combination of Experimental Prog Metal and Post Metal. One guideline though is that if bands are too quirky and technical they go to "Tech/Extreme" instead. A good example of an Experimental Prog Metal band would be Maudlin of the Well. They could also be called Avant-Prog Metal, but since they're relatively calm and not extremely technical, they go to Experimental. And style-wise they really go well with the Post Metal stuff (Kayo Dot being the *obvious* example).

The Gathering ... they're a difficult case, since all their albums are so different from each other. In that case I think it's best to look at their masterpieces - in that case: How to Measure a Planet?. And that album is a really good example of a very calm type of experimentality. I strongly recommend to check out this sample: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pt7gtWHWTs

Meshuggah: Melody-is-overrated Metal

stonebeard wrote: Meshuggah: Melody-is-overrated Metal Spiral Architect: And-you-thought-Dream-Theater-w**ked-off Metal Dragonforce: Head-asplode Metal     Very good decision.

Trickster F. wrote: stonebeard wrote: Meshuggah: Melody-is-overrated Metal Spiral Architect: And-you-thought-Dream-Theater-w**ked-off Metal Dragonforce: Head-asplode Metal     Very good decision.   Are Dragonforce on the site too now? I haven't observed the additions for a few months but I've learned to expect the unexpected.

stonebeard wrote: Trickster F. wrote: stonebeard wrote: Meshuggah: Melody-is-overrated Metal Spiral Architect: And-you-thought-Dream-Theater-w**ked-off Metal Dragonforce: Head-asplode Metal     Very good decision.   Are Dragonforce on the site too now? I haven't observed the additions for a few months but I've learned to expect the unexpected.   No, but I don't really know why they're not. I'm not complaining though.

micky wrote: Trickster F. wrote: micky wrote: ^ ^ exactly Ivan...  for me there are certains elements in PM that I do dislike intensely, yet never wanted to write off the whole sub as it was here.. this way is easier for people like me to get a better idea of the differences that were  within  the larger Progressive Metal umbrella. Looking forward to Agalloch being my first foray into exp/post metal... though I'm not sure what I may find within  tech/extreme but that is the fun isn't it... exploring.   Agalloch is always a good introduction to whatever kind of music you haven't been introduced to (since they don't really fall into any particular category), but you should learn to understand why the vocals are exactly the way they are performed in Agalloch's music, as opposed to being traditional rock'n'roll vocals.   By the way, have you and Raffaella exposed yourselves to the Italian atmospheric Death Metal band Novembre? Their newest album will be the best, as my ability to see the future suggests me. I've heard some stuff from Agalloch  via samples and I had to say I really did like it... a lot..... they are first up on my next CD binge hahhahaha...  I trust that vision.  Haven't heard them... I'll see what I can dig up by them.  Do they growl in Italian.. .if so... oh brother... I am SO there

 

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Trickster F. wrote: jikai55 wrote: Also, I was wondering about Subterranean Masquerade. They, quite unfortunatly, don't seem to belong anywhere.   It's probably going to either Avant-Garde Prog Metal or Experimental Metal, I wasn't involved in this process so I have no idea what the difference between those two is (Experimental Metal could mean anything). I think they're technical (and extreme) enough to go to Avant-Garde Prog Metal. Please note that the names of the new sub genres might be tweaked a little bit ... in order to judge which band goes where you always have to see the top level genre in conjunction with the style. So the top critera for the second genre are "technical" and "extreme". We'll soon have the definitions online ... and I think in a week or so we'll have example band/album lists for each of them.

micky wrote: thanks for the heads up Ivan... I'll hunt up some samples... I'm feeling sort of experimentative tonight.

darqdean wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: The Gathering ... they're a difficult case, since all their albums are so different from each other. In that case I think it's best to look at their masterpieces - in that case: How to Measure a Planet?. And that album is a really good example of a very calm type of experimentality. I strongly recommend to check out this sample: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pt7gtWHWTs I was referring specifically to Souvenirs which pushed the experimentation of How To Measure A Planet? a little further, but either are valid , though I think they'd practically left the world of metal by then.

I think they left them it Souvenirs, but How to Measure a Planet? still has a lot of metal ... stoner metal to be precise. I love that album ... but you have to be in the right mood to enjoy it.


Edited by MikeEnRegalia - October 22 2007 at 18:20

^ I was never stoned, so I can't comment.