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Points: 334 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 12:39
it's doubtful because you make it look like it is, I believe in the existence of Progressive Metal, but carefully selected, you know...since bands like Cult of Luna are listed here, I mantain it's doubtful at least here in PA. Tongue
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Points: 5308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 12:36
Hi Mike,
 
I think the addition is a good idea, but could use some work. What do you do about bands which have a sound that doesn't quite fit in a single category? E.g. sometimes you can't really say if what you hear is technical/progressive thrash or death metal.
 
And then you have bands like Solefald, Ephel Duath, Opeth with very eclectic catalogue, what do you do with these drunken sailors?
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Points: 21156 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 12:08
Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

PA is becoming the new www.metal-archives.com ! oh nooo! LOLLOL

EDIT: Since this site is supposed to be a "Prog Rock" oriented site, I don't get the point of doing a split of a very very doubtful genre (in the sense it's too much inclusive with bands that aren't even related to Prog) as Prog Metal is...


The genre is doubtful *in your opinion* ... only a few people share this extreme position. Well, we can't please everyone, but we try!Smile
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Points: 16449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 11:52
Great work from the PMT to get the much needed split and goodluck because placing the bands is going to be the hard part.
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PA is becoming the new www.metal-archives.com ! oh nooo! LOLLOL

EDIT: Since this site is supposed to be a "Prog Rock" oriented site, I don't get the point of doing a split of a very very doubtful genre (in the sense it's too much inclusive with bands that aren't even related to Prog) as Prog Metal is...


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Great job! Thumbs%20Up This will make it easier to navigate through progressive metal! 

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Sounds like a great deal to me.  I am much more fond of the "original" prog metal genre than I am of these other experimental/technical subgenres.  So it will be great not having to sift through these type bands to find the types of bands that I am looking for.  I am definitely looking forward to the end product.  Thank you.
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Points: 21156 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 09:37
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Looks good, fellas... nice work!
 
I would like to see the 3 genres under one page at some point in the future, but this is an excellent start.


Actually there are quite a few other genre combinations which would be interesting chart-wise ... for example Post Rock + Post Metal, or Tech/Extreme Prog Metal + RIO/Avant, or Krautrock + Psychedelic etc..




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Looks good, fellas... nice work!
 
I would like to see the 3 genres under one page at some point in the future, but this is an excellent start.
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Points: 20240 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 09:21
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I'm happy to announce that M@x has approved of the PM team's proposal to split Prog Metal into three separate categories:

  1. Progressive Metal
    - Classic Progressive Metal
    - Modern (Eclectic) Progressive Metal
    - Prog Power Metal
  2. Extreme/Tech Prog Metal
    - Avant-Garde Prog Metal
    - Progressive Thrash Metal
    - Progressive Death Metal
    - Progressive Black Metal
    - Progressive Technical Metal
    - Prog Metal Fusion
  3. Experimental/Post-Metal
    - Experimental Metal
    - Art Metal
    - Post Sludge Metal
    - (Eclectic) Post Metal
The sub genres of these three new genres will *not* be implemented as clickable genres, but they're useful to understand which band goes where. But the new genre definitions which I'm preparing will contain descriptions and key albums for all of them.Smile

Edit: I added this "FAQ" section to answer questions asked in this thread (and elsewhere):

  • Q: Are there lists of bands for these sub genres ... where can I find them?
    A: I'm working on these lists right now ... as soon as they'll finished I'll make them available. Of course these lists will be a team effort ... I'll add some new charts on my website for this purpose.
  • Q: Does the introduction of new categories mean that the band admission procedure of the PMT will change ... will you become more inclusive?
    A: No, definitely not.  Bands from all the subgenres listed above are already in the archives, and the standards for band admissions will not be affected by the split.
  • Q: Will there be further splits of these three categories in the future?
    A: I don't think that's likely. Over the last two years there has been much discussion about how to split the genre, and this is the result. *Maybe* at some point in the future the band lists of the new genre might indicate further splits, but the more categories there are the more difficult it becomes to decide which band to put where, and more cases of bands arise which really belong to several categories equally.

 
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You forgot progmetal-related!!!!!!!!!!!ClownPig
 
 
 
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next week, I'm announcing that Prog Folk is haxing sextupletsCoolClownEvil%20Smile
 
All joking aside, hopefully this will help you!!!
 
 
 
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Points: 21156 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 09:17
^ I'm sure that it will be possible to create a page where all three categories are listed together ... actually, all it would take would be to change the current charts page so that you can select more than one genre.
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Whoa... three new genres to keep track of.
 
No, just kidding. I'm sure it'll be useful to a lot of people.
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As for the first impression it looks fine Thumbs%20Up

I'm curious about the band attributions Ouch not a simple task ...



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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 09:00
After two years we finally did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I would like to thank M@x and the admin team for having the trust in us to do this and for giving us their support.
 
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Points: 21156 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 08:48
^ actually the three genres will be clickable ... in fact M@x just created them. The sub genres of the three new genres will not be clickable though.

@bhikkhu: I understand what you're saying ... but this is more a technical limitation at the moment than a conceptional one. The three new genres all have the word "metal" in their label, which shows that they're closely related to each other.
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Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Does everyone understand that this will be three separate, new sub-genres? and that hat they will not be grouped together under the title Prog-Metal? This is what doesn't make sense to me, because they are all still Metal bands. To me it would be like if you had a website that was only Prog-Metal, and contained the same bands. After some time, you realize it is so large that it needs some more organization. So the answer you come up with is creating three different websites. Do you see what I'm getting at? Do these bands have as little in common as Folk and Electronic? No, they are all Metal.

Before anyone asks what I have against metal, the answer is nothing. This has nothing to do with the specific sub-genre in question. It is a matter of logic concerning the structure of the site. You may ask, what about Art Rock? Well, a lot of those artists had nothing in common, and Art was never really considered a specific genre in the first place. I do believe that Metal needs these categories, but why not within the existing sub?



You got a valid point here, but if I understood Mike well, that three new subsubgenres will NOT be "clickable" genres.
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Does everyone understand that this will be three separate, new sub-genres? and that hat they will not be grouped together under the title Prog-Metal? This is what doesn't make sense to me, because they are all still Metal bands. To me it would be like if you had a website that was only Prog-Metal, and contained the same bands. After some time, you realize it is so large that it needs some more organization. So the answer you come up with is creating three different websites. Do you see what I'm getting at? Do these bands have as little in common as Folk and Electronic? No, they are all Metal.

Before anyone asks what I have against metal, the answer is nothing. This has nothing to do with the specific sub-genre in question. It is a matter of logic concerning the structure of the site. You may ask, what about Art Rock? Well, a lot of those artists had nothing in common, and Art was never really considered a specific genre in the first place. I do believe that Metal needs these categories, but why not within the existing sub?

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Originally posted by steve j steve j wrote:

Will be interesting where DT is put, as their music seems to be in several camps.  The cat choice for Riverside also will be interesting.


Both DT and Riverside will remain in Progressive Metal. They are not first and foremost technical, extreme, experimental or "post", so they stay in the "main" category. I think that numerically speaking the split will be something like 50:20:30, but of course we'll only be certain once it's finished.Embarrassed

BTW: It's relatively easy to choose one of the three categories for the bands, apart from a few exceptions (e.g. Opeth, Tool). It's more difficult to assign a sub genre to them ... that's why the sub genres will not be implemented as clickable lists for the time being. We'll probably implement these "schools" on a multiple genre per album basis ... first we'll do it for the key albums of the genres, and maybe later we'll try it for all the albums, which will be quite a job.
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Points: 1324 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 08:11
Great news, I look forward to the new sub genres being implemented as it'll making finding prog metal I like a lot easier.
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Points: 164 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2007 at 07:56
This is great news!  Thanks to those who have spent time putting this thing together.  It's a labour love, even though half the board don't like PM.
 
I don't understand the categories at present, so I look forward to see how the categorizing goes.  Will be interesting where DT is put, as their music seems to be in several camps.  The cat choice for Riverside also will be interesting.
 
Thanks again all concerned, our horizons are about to be widened.
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