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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 10:04
^  I know, I know.  That is another thread discussion, which I avoided because of my complete lack of knowledge of punk.  And I am not knocking punk per se, I am just commenting on the premise that punk was based upon more simplistic playing in comparison to the "pretentious" playing of the 70's prog bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 10:21

This joke of a list is old; it dates back to 2003. I remember when it came out and thinking WTF, especially with regard to Jack White and Kurt Cobain's placement as well as the omission of guys like Allan Holdsworth and a whole slew of Steely Dan session masters like Elliott Randall, Denny Dias, Dean Parks, and Jay Graydon. However, I was pleased to see them give some love to Richard Thompson and Zoot Horn Rollo.

You should keep in mind that Rolling Stone hasn't been a truly credible or viable entity in its coverage of contemporary music in decades. Therefore a list like this is nothing more than what it really is, a complete and utter joke. Now I hear that they want to induct acts like Madonna and the Beastie Boys into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame while passing over worthy acts like the Stooges, the Ventures, and Todd Rundgren.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 10:24
^ Not to mention all of the great prog bands that we love on this site who aren't even nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Shame.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 10:32
As Ian Anderson put it, all of three decades ago: "I have no time for Time Magazine or Rolling Stone".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 12:31
Have you ever been hit in the head by a rolling stone? LOL
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 20:49
whatever, the list isn't really based on skill, but on popularity.  And it would be even harder to make one on talent because it would be even more argued among people for it is hard to make a list like that without any biases.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 21:02
Do you still believe Rolling Stones mag?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 21:32
Please, it's a simple logical deductuion:
  1. People buy info about popular artists.
  2. If Rolling Stones select popular artists more people will buy the magazine
  3. They will have more money...efrgo better salaries
  4. If Rolling Stones select the best musicians like lets say Hackett, Mc Laughlin, Di Meola, Stuermer, etc in the top places, people won't buy the magazine
  5. They will jeopardize their salaries.

What option does a commercial magazine will choose?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2007 at 08:04
Originally posted by jimidom jimidom wrote:

This joke of a list is old; it dates back to 2003. I remember when it came out and thinking WTF, especially with regard to Jack White and Kurt Cobain's placement as well as the omission of guys like Allan Holdsworth and a whole slew of Steely Dan session masters like Elliott Randall, Denny Dias, Dean Parks, and Jay Graydon. However, I was pleased to see them give some love to Richard Thompson and Zoot Horn Rollo.

You should keep in mind that Rolling Stone hasn't been a truly credible or viable entity in its coverage of contemporary music in decades. Therefore a list like this is nothing more than what it really is, a complete and utter joke. Now I hear that they want to induct acts like Madonna and the Beastie Boys into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame while passing over worthy acts like the Stooges, the Ventures, and Todd Rundgren.


As many here are members of a musical sub-sect - prog - we're surely going to notice certain players whose work we adore. These lists usually include the criteria of influence and or impact. So Jack White & Cobain do have their place. Not having seen the list, I'm assuming that a certain John, Paul & George are also found in tis' contents. None of these 3 were ever among the virtuosos of the instrument, but they certainly caused more than a few young music fans to pick up a guitar. And by trying to copy your idol, you also immerse yourself, in a way, in their idols & influences.
And while technical abilities are very nice to have, some "great" guitarists only shone on other people's work. A great solo is not within reach of most of us, but there are a lot of unrecorded guitar players out there who can & could outplay even some of our cherished pickers.
As for RS, well they stopped being relevant years ago. The R n R hall of fame is rapidly becoming a joke. They have Miles Davis in there. Great iconic musician, but he is jazz, not rock n roll. I can see Madonna & the Beastie Boys in there. But there are a ton of other acts that have been around longer & will undeservedly be excluded because they are just not "intellectually cool". Kiss, Genesis, the guy who wrote "Train kept a' Rolling", and a whole slew of 50s, 60s, & 70s acts that rock n roll fans (and I do include proggers in there) actually still remember, love & listen to.
But the selection committee is headed by RS' chief. And as RS has been for the longest time, he is simply an elitist, New York centered head up his butt hole sno(t)b.
Unfortunately it is not fan based or in any way remotely reflective of people's idea of what was & is great in Rock music.

P.S. Maybe we start a thread on bands listed on PA who would deserve inclusion. Of course, the sad part is that some obscure acts will get more than their fair share of mentions because the smaller the fanbase, the more rabid the adulation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2007 at 12:33
As good as any list offered by  NME in the last 30 years , i.e. no bloody use at all. You have wonder how say, the Kinks' Dave Davis is found space, (as said above), at the cost of omission of innovators such as Allan Holdsworth or Gary Lucas  (both commonly rated in top 10s, 20s, etc. in many more serious guitar polls). As I've written before when the RS comes up with a  new All Time 100 Album Poll every five years, with a significant number of changes each time,  they  loss any sense of creditability. However, one thing in favour of RS is that they have stuck to Richard Thompson (rightly IMHO) through several of their polls
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2007 at 21:55
Originally posted by jimidom jimidom wrote:

Jay Graydon



Ahhh, Jay Gradon. Probably pulled off one of the classic solos on Steely Dan's "Peg". Heck of a producer, too. Produced the classic Al Jarreau albums Breakin' Away and Jarreau.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2007 at 22:03
This list belongs in the "Bad Jokes" thread. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2007 at 22:06
Kurt cobain in number twelve?
 
I just puked.
 
I pretty much dont agree with any of the ones in the top fifteen, except SRV!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2007 at 11:41
"pretty much", eh schizoid?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2007 at 12:53
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

Kurt cobain in number twelve?
 
I just puked.
 
I pretty much dont agree with any of the ones in the top fifteen, except SRV!


Just remember that often a qualifier is the influence that they've had. Cobain will never match such overly successful (I can understand why) guitar guys like the beloved A Holdsworth. But let's face it, Kurt got more kids into playing a musical instrument that Good 'ol Al ever did. And some of both camps grow up to be great musicians.
For another example, please read my previous post re : a certain John, Paul & George.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2007 at 16:44
Everyone knows that Kurt Cobain was a better guitar player than Jan Akkerman, sure Disapprove
 
I guess Ivan is right. Let's say that it looks more like some sort of popularity / commercial index. Stock market, as Bill Bruford would say.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2007 at 11:14



Quote As a fact only prog guitarists on the list are:
 
42. Fripp
45. Zappa
49. Mclaughlin
69. Steve Howe
82. Gilmour


Not true actually, they have Tool's Adam Jones at #75 and Deep Purple's Ritchie Blackmore... but yes the list is obviously an abomination.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2007 at 12:37
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Everyone knows that Kurt Cobain was a better guitar player than Jan Akkerman, sure Disapprove
 
I guess Ivan is right. Let's say that it looks more like some sort of popularity / commercial index. Stock market, as Bill Bruford would say.
 
LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2007 at 21:12
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

Kurt cobain in number twelve?
 
I just puked.
 
I pretty much dont agree with any of the ones in the top fifteen, except SRV!


Just remember that often a qualifier is the influence that they've had. Cobain will never match such overly successful (I can understand why) guitar guys like the beloved A Holdsworth. But let's face it, Kurt got more kids into playing a musical instrument that Good 'ol Al ever did. And some of both camps grow up to be great musicians.
For another example, please read my previous post re : a certain John, Paul & George.
 
Or inspire kids to shoot themselvesConfused
 
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