Blue Oyster Cult on the archives?

aprusso wrote: Absolutely yes. They're one of the most inventive, sophisticated, imprevisible (and mysterioyus!) rock bands of all times. You want prog? Listen to "The Vigil" from Mirrors, "Flaming Telepaths" and "Astronomy" from Secret treaties, "Black Blade" and "Monsters" from Cultuosaurus erectus, the whole "Imaginos" masterpiece album... my point: if there are in PA the likes of Shadow gallery, Symphony X, death (!!!), BOC can't miss.

Yep, The Vigil, great song!

Special mention also to The Great Sun Jester and In Thee

No -- BOC are a good classic hard rock band that aren't even remotely prog (and yes, I have several of their albums).

IMO, "prog-related" remains a bogus, artificial category, as arguably all rock, especially late 60s - 70s, is "related" to progressive rock.

Still, I imagine it's just a matter of time until BOC are added, but then, in the interest of "fairness," all other 70s hard rock bands (Sabbath, Zep, etc) will have to be added. (Then you can all start on the not-so-hard stuff.)

Prog&ClassicRockArchives is what we have here -- all "good" music (that any more than a few of us ever liked), particularly stuff from 67 -- 77 or so, is now "prog" or "prog related," it would seem....

Too many cooks in the kitchen, I think!

 

 

Whatever.

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Heptade wrote: Sure, prog-related, prog-induced, prog-befriended...wherever. It would be nice to see.

aprusso wrote: Absolutely yes. They're one of the most inventive, sophisticated, imprevisible (and mysterioyus!) rock bands of all times. You want prog? Listen to "The Vigil" from Mirrors, "Flaming Telepaths" and "Astronomy" from Secret treaties, "Black Blade" and "Monsters" from Cultuosaurus erectus, the whole "Imaginos" masterpiece album... my point: if there are in PA the likes of Shadow gallery, Symphony X, death (!!!), BOC can't miss.

SHADOW GALLERY, SYMPHONY X are progressive-metal, but BOC is just hard-rock (although brilliant).

Peter wrote: No -- BOC are a good classic hard rock band that aren't even remotely prog (and yes, I have several of their albums).http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley21.g if" onclick="AddSmileyIcon'smileys/smiley21.gif'"> IMO, "prog-related" remains a bogus, artificial category, as arguably all rock, especially late 60s - 70s, is "related" to progressive rock. www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley22.gif" onclick="AddSmileyIcon'smileys/smiley22.gif'"> Still, I imagine it's just a matter of time until BOC are added, but then, in the interest of "fairness," all other 70s hard rock bands (Sabbath, Zep, etc) will have to be added.alt=Ermm http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif" onclick="AddSmileyIcon'smileys/smiley24.gif'"> (Then you can all start on the not-so-hard stuff.) Prog&ClassicRockArchives is what we have here -- all "good" music (that any more than a few of us ever liked), particularly stuff from 67 -- 77 or so, is now "prog" or "prog related," it would seem....www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif" onclick="AddSmileyIcon'smileys/smiley29.gif'"> Too many cooks in the kitchen, I think! www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley22.gif" onclick="AddSmileyIcon'smileys/smiley22.gif'">     Whatever.

Totally gonna agree with the Petemaster on this one

Nightauditor wrote: BOC is hard rock?  AC/DC is hard rock.  Go into a bar and put Astronomy or Diz-Busters on the juke box.  Count how many people look at you funny.  Heck, put Stairway to the Stars, a non-prog, song on and they'll still look at you funny.  Hell, put Lips in the Hills on and they'll toss you out.  BOC is not hard rock.  They can rock, but these guys actually wrote music, not bashed out power chords and hooky choruses.

As I told you in another post, BOC are in Prog-Related, and they have been since mid-April. However, their addition was not painless - I added them, and was immediately accused of every crime against the site. However, I do agree with you on all counts, and in spite of what happened at that time, I still think the band belong here - not as fully prog (because they aren't), but as influenced by it , which is what PR is about.

 

The Doctor wrote: I'm a BOC afficianado.  I have all of their albums; however, only three of their albums come close to what I would consider prog.  Their most proggish album was Imaginos.  I would also say that some of Fire of Unknown Origin and Secret Treaties had some proggishness to them.  And I think all of their stuff qualifies them as more than just a classic hard-rock band.  They were definitely better songwriters and more experimental than your average class hard-rock band.  However, being better than average, or more intelligent than average, or more experimental than average does not a prog band make.  Sorry, I love BOC, but unless we come up with a categorization "Prog Occasionally" or "Prog Related as Second Cousins on their Mother's Side" I don't see how BOC counts as prog.

BOC are in PROG-RELATED. This doesn't mean prog. I added them in April, and you can analyse every single word of the bio I wrote to see if I ever mentioned their being fully prog. I did not. Why is it so hard to understand?

Yukorin wrote:   DB senses a creeping sense of senseless paranoia emanating from certain purists at PA. Also wonders if Pa encompasses all "good" music, why do we have Krautrock & Zeuhl    Have to call you up on this. I know you are a nice guy DB but you are definately out of your depth here.

Thank you for the supposition, I am a nice guy when the meds work as they are intended to. What am I definitely out of my depth on ? The K & Z comment ? That was a joke, and a lightly held opinion. The first cuttingly satiric sentence about an attitude that I find laughable & overly serious in a world that overlooks Darfur, while making statements about acting on Myanmar as if they were actually going to piss off China just to do the right thing. Or how about my friends who are splitting up because the wife is clinically depressed & the husband, after all they've been through over the years (miscarriage, business bankruptcy, brother's depression, sister's divorce, niece's questionable lifestyle choices, mom's impending dementia, then his wife's many health problems {not just mental illnesses} that aren't always covered by Medicare or private health plans) just doesn't see a brighter day anytime soon.

So if people want to jump up & down as if somehow their religious or deeply held beliefs were being assaulted because PA dared to add a band in the most tepid & weakest prog associated sub-genre, then EXCUSE ME !  Life offers up but a few readily made & ego deflating deserving targets.
I have a big enough collection & a wide & varied enough knowledge & taste in music to be able to say that the sandbox is not a place for such toddler-like temper tantrums. I do not impose my views on what is good or bad music on anyone. The only division I respect is the one that admits the subjective nature of my preferences , i.e. I like this, I don't like that. No tag of good or bad needs to be applied based on my tastes.

And furthermore, in case you think that I am a narrow minded plebe who has a thing about elitism, you are right. I am considered (surprising to me too) to be of above average intelligence, to have a certain ability in communicating, I'm seen as well read with interests  that  are wider in range than the  majority,  and  am also old enough to  have gotten over the teen stage of  raging over , what is in the final analysis, not exactly the most serious subject in this world.
So, in case I have overblown my perception of your believing I am out of my depth, explain yourself. I can apologise if I've gone overboard. But I will not accept that my amusing myself with little torpedoes shot at turpid over-exerted & strenuous cries of alarm over the inclusion, as I said before , of a moderately talented bunch of musicians in a very very very far far relatively related genre of music that is Prog-related.

P.S. I must go now, because my 60 lbs dalmatian lab mix is trying to show how good a lap dog he can be. Then I will go wash my face & hands as I feel dirty. After that, I will let my dog lick my face & hands & I will tell him that he is wrong about BOC not being an acceptable candidate for Prog-related. OF course, with dogs being much smarter than we give them credit, he will just look at me, & signal that it's time for his walk, so he can go piss & chit outside. HE is after all house broken & house trained. So his messes are kept to the outside & the non-liquid part is picked up after he's done.
Then I'm going to listen to Nektar, Gary Numan, Ted Nugent, the Nails, Nirvana, Mojo Nixon and Skid Roper, and have an Alpine followed by a Leffe and wonder why so many people choose to live their life up their own wazoo ...

I love BOC, but they aren't prog.