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micky 
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 Posted: September 29 2007 at 10:45 |
 Tales wrote:
andu wrote:
To my perception, YES were the quintessential
Premier League classic prog band: the crown seen on the Live at QPR DVD
(1975) is the biggest one I've ever seen gathered for a prog act (I
think there were at least 50000 people). Anyone who can compare to that
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Only ELP & Pink Floyd could compete with that. In essence, the premier league only consisted of three bands.
1.YES
2.ELP
3.PINK FLOYD |
the elite of the elite... 
throw in King Crimson and Tull... you have it. The Premier League of
prog. The big 5...everyone else.. is in a lesser division.
Edited by micky - September 29 2007 at 10:45
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Tales
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Posted: September 29 2007 at 10:40 |
andu wrote:
To my perception, YES were the quintessential Premier League classic prog band: the crown seen on the Live at QPR DVD (1975) is the biggest one I've ever seen gathered for a prog act (I think there were at least 50000 people). Anyone who can compare to that is Premier League. |
Only ELP & Pink Floyd could compete with that. In essence, the premier league only consisted of three bands.
1.YES
2.ELP
3.PINK FLOYD
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andu
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Posted: September 29 2007 at 10:25 |
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To my perception, YES were the quintessential Premier League classic prog band: the crowd seen on the Live at QPR DVD (1975) is the biggest one I've ever seen gathered for a prog act (I think there were at least 50000 people). Anyone who can compare to that is Premier League.
Edited by andu - September 29 2007 at 10:47
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micky
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Posted: September 29 2007 at 06:42 |
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Tales
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Posted: September 29 2007 at 06:40 |
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Camel were bigger than Gabriel's Genesis in the early/mid 70's. They were playing similar size venues but Camel had better chart success both in the UK & USA, so I guess they are premier league? Remeber Genesis only made premier league with Trick of the Tale and after.
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micky
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Posted: September 29 2007 at 06:18 |
raindance2007 wrote:
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
2nd or 3rd league, pretty
non offensive non challenging music that rode the tide of prog than
rather define it, I always have a problem with Camel being so over
rated when great groups like Henry Cow and Faust get barely a mention.
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far as I'm concerned the Snowgoose sounds more like a covers album than
anything original, while Moonmadness just rode the tide. Come on
people! there are far more important and innovative bands out there,
hasn't it occured to you why Camel being accessible (unlike Henry Cow
Faust etc) never made it big?
They were a second to third tier prog
band for a reason they never dared challenge the genre like RIO,
Yes (remeber Tales and Relayer) or King Crimson, Camel just played it
safe.
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I'd take Moonmadness anyday over Relayer. The only Crimson album
that matches Moonmadness would be Posiedon imo. None of the Wetton
albums are as good |
you are talking apples to his oranges.... love the albums if you
want... but Cheesy is dead on. There are those who broke
ground and defined prog.. and those that rode the coattails
Edited by micky - September 29 2007 at 06:19
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raindance2007
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Posted: September 29 2007 at 06:15 |
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
2nd or 3rd league, pretty non offensive non challenging music that rode the tide of prog than rather define it, I always have a problem with Camel being so over rated when great groups like Henry Cow and Faust get barely a mention.
As far as I'm concerned the Snowgoose sounds more like a covers album than anything original, while Moonmadness just rode the tide. Come on people! there are far more important and innovative bands out there, hasn't it occured to you why Camel being accessible (unlike Henry Cow Faust etc) never made it big?
They were a second to third tier prog band for a reason they never dared challenge the genre like RIO, Yes (remeber Tales and Relayer) or King Crimson, Camel just played it safe.
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I'd take Moonmadness anyday over Relayer. The only Crimson album that matches Moonmadness would be Posiedon imo. None of the Wetton albums are as good
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micky
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Posted: September 29 2007 at 05:26 |
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I love it when people dig up these old polls...
Camel? you have to be kidding me.. Premier League?
2nd Division easy. Just like VDGG.. just because you like them
doesn't mean you should delude yourself. Much like Football...
the Premier League are groups that even the non-fan knows of and may
have even heard.
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Norbert
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Posted: September 29 2007 at 05:05 |
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Probably premier league, a great band.
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P.H.P.
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Posted: September 29 2007 at 01:32 |
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What??
Camel is Premier League, no question!
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: September 29 2007 at 01:15 |
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2nd or 3rd league, pretty non offensive non challenging music that rode the tide of prog than rather define it, I always have a problem with Camel being so over rated when great groups like Henry Cow and Faust get barely a mention.
As far as I'm concerned the Snowgoose sounds more like a covers album than anything original, while Moonmadness just rode the tide. Come on people! there are far more important and innovative bands out there, hasn't it occured to you why Camel being accessible (unlike Henry Cow Faust etc) never made it big?
They were a second to third tier prog band for a reason they never dared challenge the genre like RIO, Yes (remeber Tales and Relayer) or King Crimson, Camel just played it safe.
Edited by Cheesecakemouse - September 29 2007 at 01:27
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Posted: September 28 2007 at 18:00 |
Camel are great. It's disappointing that Breathless doesn't get much mention. It's a very good album. Moonmadness, Raindances, Breathless, Camel and Nude are my fave Camel albums. I think Mirage and Snowgoose are a bit overrated and just miss out of Camels best 5 albums. But Camel are are one of my Big 5 prog bands which also include Jethro tull, Gentle giant, Yes and Genesis 
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Philip
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Posted: September 28 2007 at 14:40 |
They are on premier league.
If they don't, they're one of the top promotion candidates.
P:S:
What a great fight for champion that would be with these bands, and another great fight in the relegation zone.
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chessman
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Posted: October 16 2005 at 18:16 |
Distinctly second division! I have heard many Camel songs, off various albums, and I own both the remastered versions of Mirage and Moonmadness (the latter being the better of the two). I don't mind having a listen now and again, but I find their lyrics on such tracks as lady Fantasy, total rubbish. Vocally they are very weak, whilst musically, their playing is adequate, but no more. Pleasant, non threatening music, but nothing earth-shatteringly important. Admittedly better than ELP or Dream Theater, but that doesn't say much!
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krauthead
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Posted: October 16 2005 at 18:06 |
Premier League 
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RoyalJelly
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Posted: October 14 2005 at 06:21 |
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When they came out, we all found Camel a bit interesting, especially Mirage, but few people took them as seriously as ELP, Tull, Yes or Genesis. The general opinion was that they sound very good, the music is pleasant but not especially challenging, "Snow Goose" had some very bright moments, and after that it went downhill fast. I couldn't place them in the big leagues, because they didn't CREATE an innovative sound, but utilized the forms that the others had pioneered, and made it a bit more smooth and palatable to the broader masses. It's great if you like them and find them inspiring, but to give them the same credit as the great innovators of that era would be unjust.
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Posted: October 14 2005 at 04:16 |
Oh, and my Camel top 5:
1. Nude
2. A Live Record (great compilation of the Mirage, Snow Goose, Moonmadness and Rain Dances period, mind you, the version with all the bonus tracks)
3. The Single Factor
4. Stationary Traveller
5. Dust And Dreams
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Moogtron III
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Posted: October 14 2005 at 04:08 |
Well, in most leagues there's room for about 18 teams, right? Maybe the Scottich league is an exception, but even then Camel would be in it. For me:
1. Real Yes
2. AC Genesis
3. FC ELP
4. Inter Camel
5. Sporting Gentle Giant
6. Dynamo King Crimson
7. Pink Floyd United
8. U.K. Rangers
9. Inter Caravan
10. Lokomotiv Van der Graaf Generator
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tuxon
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Posted: October 13 2005 at 16:58 |
Tony Fisher wrote:
Premier League?
FAR better than that.
EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS!!!!!!
WORLD CUP WINNERS!!!!!!
THE BEST!!!!!!!!
(Am I getting my message across clearly????)
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