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BaldJean
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 10:13 |
febus wrote:
Your quote:have a life beyond Peter, and I very much like Fripp too. I just couldn't let an inaccurate statement stand like that. Fripp is indeed very exploring, but you said he was the only one who is, and that's not true.
That's here, dear!!! can we let go now , please!
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so what? I didn't say the inaccurate statement was made by you.. anyway, no need to fuss about that
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 10:13 |
Semantics are fun
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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1800iareyay
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 11:18 |
BaldJean wrote:
1800iareyay wrote:
Unlike their contemporaries who sold out to play it safe, Fripp was fully willing to fall flat on his face, but he'd do so while exploring new sonic territory, and in doing so, moved music farther than anyone before or, for that matter, since. Had he been born a few centuries ago, he would have been a circumnavigator.
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that's arguable; if you follow the career of Peter Hammill you will see lots of tosses and turns there too, including territory Mr. Fripp never dared to put his foot into. or did Fripp ever write an opera?
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I really meant Yes, Genesis, and ELP. VDGG are another group beyond reproach, and Hammill is every bit as important to moving rock forward as Bobby. Haven't heard his solo work yet, but it seems to be as well loved as the VDGG stuff, so I'll certainly have to give it a try
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 11:22 |
Go get In Camera and The Silent Corner & the Empty Stage
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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sircosick
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 13:38 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Semantics are fun
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The best you can is good enough...
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sircosick
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 13:41 |
I recently reviewed Islands and gave it the full rating. Since this thread has slightly changed the direction of the real topic, I ask you folks: isn't Islands underrated? IMO yes it is, but am I the only guy who think so?
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The best you can is good enough...
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febus
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Joined: January 23 2007
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 14:01 |
sircosick wrote:
I recently reviewed Islands and gave it the full rating. Since this thread has slightly changed the direction of the real topic, I ask you folks: isn't Islands underrated? IMO yes it is, but am I the only guy who think so? |
Read my review; i am all with you, Sirco:!!!!!
ISLANDS is great!!!!!!!! and i haven't changed my opinion since 1972! a long time!
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micky
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 14:53 |
sircosick wrote:
I recently reviewed Islands and gave it the full rating. Since this thread has slightly changed the direction of the real topic, I ask you folks: isn't Islands underrated? IMO yes it is, but am I the only guy who think so?
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hear hear .. let us hear no more of Peter Hammill and semantics in this thread... it probably is underrated... some think it is not up to par in comparison to the rest of their albums...a textbook definition for underrated in the eyes of those who really like it then again... is comparing it to the rest of their albums fair.. considering you are really comparing apples and oranges. quite simply the album bores me... but that is just me.
Edited by micky - August 19 2007 at 14:54
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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fuxi
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 16:17 |
I'm still wondering what people have against John Wetton's singing...
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laplace
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 16:20 |
sircosick wrote:
I recently reviewed Islands and gave it the full rating. Since this thread has slightly changed the direction of the real topic, I ask you folks: isn't Islands underrated? IMO yes it is, but am I the only guy who think so?
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I'll read your review to find out exactly what you and other people see in the other album. to me, a "gentle" King Crimson album is just a waste of time - being a big fan of their subsequent era, if I came to review it, I'd give it a one.
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sircosick
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 16:33 |
febus wrote:
sircosick wrote:
I recently reviewed Islands and gave it the full rating. Since this thread has slightly changed the direction of the real topic, I ask you folks: isn't Islands underrated? IMO yes it is, but am I the only guy who think so? |
Read my review; i am all with you, Sirco:!!!!!
ISLANDS is great!!!!!!!! and i haven't changed my opinion since 1972! a long time! |
Islands was my introduction to King Crimson. And still thinking it's a great album. The fact that's actually rated under the fourth star is a real shame. I'll read your review, BTW
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The best you can is good enough...
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sircosick
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 16:36 |
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The best you can is good enough...
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jimmy_row
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 16:41 |
sircosick wrote:
I recently reviewed Islands and gave it the full rating. Since this thread has slightly changed the direction of the real topic, I ask you folks: isn't Islands underrated? IMO yes it is, but am I the only guy who think so? |
Beautiful album indeed! Just because it isn't abrasive and harsh doesn't mean it can't be on the same level as other KC albums (of course some fans will have an immediate gag-reflex to anything with this style)...The title track is one of the most evocative pieces I've ever heard (now if it wasn't for the dreadful "Ladies of the Road" it would be in my top 3 KC albums).
Perfect follow up to the (also) excellent Lizard...these two represent the two ends of KC's spectrum.
Edited by jimmy_row - August 19 2007 at 16:42
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Evans
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 17:44 |
I agree with the guy who said that King Crimson is prog's elite fighting force. They always come around when there is a need for something to shake the business around :)
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'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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tszirmay
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 19:36 |
[QUOTE=febus]Yes, very uncommon for a woman; i brought my wife to a CRIMSON concert in 95 at the time of the double trio; she had to leave halfway, couldn't stand the ''Bang--Bang''
Edited by tszirmay - August 19 2007 at 19:37
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Sckxyss
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 20:10 |
fuxi wrote:
I'm still wondering what people have against John Wetton's singing... |
It's hard to describe a sub-par vocalist.. it's simply less pleasing to the ear. I think it's an aquired taste, since I used to hate it, and now my feelings are neutral. But, what he lacks in vocal ability, he more than makes up for in bass playing!
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Raff
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 20:34 |
I don't think Wetton is sub-par at all... As a matter of fact, his voice has improved over the years, while usually singers go in the opposite direction. However, I am not too keen on his performance on LTIA, which features a lot of vocal parts that could've been sung much better by a more experienced vocalist. On SABB and especially "Red", Wetton's singing is much stronger and more expressive (I love his performance on "The Great Deceiver"). It's quite clear that, when he first joined KC for LTIA, he wasn't used to singing lead, and his vocals suffer from the comparison with Lake's.
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febus
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 21:06 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
I don't think Wetton is sub-par at all... As a matter of fact, his voice has improved over the years, while usually singers go in the opposite direction. However, I am not too keen on his performance on LTIA, which features a lot of vocal parts that could've been sung much better by a more experienced vocalist. On SABB and especially "Red", Wetton's singing is much stronger and more expressive (I love his performance on "The Great Deceiver"). It's quite clear that, when he first joined KC for LTIA, he wasn't used to singing lead, and his vocals suffer from the comparison with Lake's.
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Exactly what i said in a previous thread he was good! he got better and he is still great, just listen to his voice on ICON 1 + 2 or the last ASIA ''live in Tokyo''
.......so POWERFUL!!!
Hope he comes back healthy!
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el böthy
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Location: Argentina
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 21:10 |
No matter how many threads, polls, recommendations KC will ever get... it´s still not enough, keep em coming
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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sircosick
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 22:39 |
I don't care too much for Wetton's voice. I prefer more Lake & Belew, though. But he's undoubtely a great bass player.
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