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    Posted: July 27 2007 at 17:41
I recently saw very early footage of Heart on some German show in the 70's, and I was shocked at:

1.) How proggy it was
2.) How good it was!

Nancy Wilson was fingerpicking some of the most beautiful acoustic work, and there were extended instrumental parts, most very intricate, all very melodic and impressive.

Going back though their older stuff, I found a song called "Soul of the Sea" that could easily make it into my top 20 fave prog songs, and "Mistral Wind" is no slouch, a sort of mini-epic...

Anybody else revel in the progginess of Ann and Nancy Wilson?
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Points: 255 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2007 at 17:57
Me.

Dreamboat Annie is a fantastic album. I'm not sure if it fits into the seemingly billions of prog sub genres everyone delights in inventing, but it sure sounds good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcAn3z7D1Pc

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I've seen that video before, it's just incredible. I'd have to say that Nancy Wilson is possibly amongst the best rock guitarists, and sadly very underrated.
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The first sides of the first two Heart albums are masterpieces of post-Led Zeppelin progressive hard rock and folk/rock, packed with brilliant songs like "Magic Man", "Soul Of The Sea", "Barracuda" and "Love Alive". Strangely, the second side of each album is very much weaker and not very progressive, although "Little Queen" ends with the outstanding suite "Cry To Me"/"Go On Cry". Their third album proper "Dog And Butterfly" is less progressive, but does contain the superb "Mistral Wind". I can't see any of their later albums being of much interest to prog fans, although they all contain at least something of excellence.
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Points: 7744 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2007 at 19:46
In answer to your question: a bit. But I don't think this is the place for this topic, and it may be moved to somewhere more suitable.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2007 at 19:52
Originally posted by jplanet jplanet wrote:

I've seen that video before, it's just incredible. I'd have to say that Nancy Wilson is possibly amongst the best rock guitarists, and sadly very underrated.
As much as I have had a crush on Nancy since 1976, Heart, she is not the great underrated guitarist everyone claims she is - she is good, the acoustic intro to Crazy is special, but not incredible. First Roger Fisher, then Howard Leese, were the lead guitarists with Heart - Nancy is primarily a rhythm guitarist.
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I'm sorry, but I cannot believe what i'm reading. Heart, prog! "Magic man" prog? Why because it has a synthesizer solo! "Barracuda"? When will the madness end?
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Originally posted by JesusisLord JesusisLord wrote:

I'm sorry, but I cannot believe what i'm reading. Heart, prog! "Magic man" prog? Why because it has a synthesizer solo! "Barracuda"? When will the madness end?


I understand your bewilderment, hence my reason for posting! You have to go beyond the singles and check out songs like Mistral Wind and Soul of the Sea...there are some others like Lighter Touch that have stellar instrumental playing and very progressive song structures.

As for Nancy's guitar playing, you also have to dig deeper than electric soloing...Try the Travis picking on Dreamboat Annie, or open-tuning work on Nada One.

But then, my standards for guitar playing are very different from others in prog...I take imagination and soul over speed any day. To me, Mood for a Day was always more impressive than Eruption, and any Joe Walsh riff more inspired than Yngwie...
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I like early heart, listened through a whole heart EP collection with my mom the other night, but uhh... I dont hear any prog. But my "personal defonition" of prog is strange, so mabe
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Points: 2492 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2007 at 23:18
John, you make some good points but I really don't see any strong ties to prog for Heart
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Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

John, you make some good points but I really don't see any strong ties to prog for Heart


I found the video that inspired my post!

Tip: Let it load for a minute and fast-forward through the weird intro of the TV show it was broadcast on...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SmolhqGeA68&mode=related&search=

I'd be curious to know what you think after you see this! I hear very strong elements of Jethro Tull, ELP, and Yes...
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Points: 2492 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 00:37
There are strong folk elements, but that's b/c Heart owed much to Zeppelin (the band openly admits LZ being their biggest influence). B/c of the folk, I can hear Tull but not so much ELP and Yes. Incredible band with my favortie female vocalist, but I'd have to really think it over before voting either way. BTW, youldn't have picked a worse time to add a PR band. The site's in a firestorm. But hey, you can't know that b/c you're making killer music. Can't wait for the next album Thumbs%20Up
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Points: 799 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 01:16
Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

...BTW, youldn't have picked a worse time to add a PR band. The site's in a firestorm. But hey, you can't know that b/c you're making killer music. Can't wait for the next album Thumbs%20Up


Oh, no, I was really just bringing it up for fun and for people to check it out, not to give the site admins more work! That's why I started this in the general prog topic but it got moved here, which is why I suppose it's now being considered for the PA database. But that's not what I was going for, although it's an interesting idea to perhaps consider their first few albums, but I don't feel strongly enough about it to insist...

And sincere thanks for the kind words from you and the other admins and collaborators here about Shadow Circus! I'm literally taking a short break while recording a demo of a song for the next album as I type this!
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Points: 7910 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 01:20
All I know is seeing Nancy Wilson in the video "Never" makes me walk with a severe limp for a good 20 minutes. Girl is hotter than doughnut grease.

See for yourself.

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Love Heart and think Nancy is a great guitarist and Ann is an amazingly strong vocalist. Not proggy from my point of view but certainly I regard them as one of the best bands ever to come out of Canada. Clap

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Points: 7910 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 02:33
Originally posted by valravennz valravennz wrote:

Love Heart and think Nancy is a great guitarist and Ann is an amazingly strong vocalist. Not proggy from my point of view but certainly I regard them as one of the best bands ever to come out of Canada. Clap


I thought they were from Seattle? I'm almost sure of it.

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From Wikipedia:
Heart is an American rock band which came out of Bellevue, a suburb of Seattle, Washington State, USA. Going through several lineup changes, the only constant members of the group are sisters Ann and Nancy Wilson.
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Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

Originally posted by jplanet jplanet wrote:

I've seen that video before, it's just incredible. I'd have to say that Nancy Wilson is possibly amongst the best rock guitarists, and sadly very underrated.
As much as I have had a crush on Nancy since 1976, Heart, she is not the great underrated guitarist everyone claims she is - she is good, the acoustic intro to Crazy is special, but not incredible. First Roger Fisher, then Howard Leese, were the lead guitarists with Heart - Nancy is primarily a rhythm guitarist.
 
Fully agree
 
(about the crush on Nancy as wellTongue, she's a fox still nowadaysWink, but look at her on the Little QueenHeartalbum)
 
But Heart was never prog and none of their albums are excellent (they've all got their fair share of fillers)
 
 
And let's stay away from those awful 80's crap albumsDead
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2007 at 20:20

Hey, the PA forum is working - today I added a new band to my CD wishlist - Shadow Circus - mightily impressed Smile

For the record, Heart were a Seatle band who moved to Canada early in their career and initially signed to Vancouver based Mushroom Records. In the mid-70's they were known as Canadian band because of that.
 
A female guitarist who, IMHO, has in recent years stolen Nancy's crown is Lori Linstruth (Warbride & Streamof Passion) http://www.myspace.com/lorilinstruth
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Points: 799 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 16:56
Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

Hey, the PA forum is working - today I added a new band to my CD wishlist - Shadow Circus - mightily impressed Smile

Thank you, I hope you enjoy it!
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