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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2007 at 12:20
Writing has many levels, there's the musical notation/chords/voicings... there's the vocals/or not....there's the rythms/feel....and the arraingment.  Each require attention and each should support your musical idea (when finished).
 
As a drummer (who fakes the other instruments)  I find inspiration for a new piece  in various ways.  Sometimes I write the piece with a specific time signature(s) in mind, such as starting in 5 and playing with a drum feel.  Sometimes I can hear a bass line and I'll mumble it as I play, sometimes I lay down a rythm and play bass after the fact.  If something crawls out that is musical I usually re cut the drums to fit.  A chicken and egg thing.  A few itterations of that and you may have the core idea on it's way.
 
To me good music has tension and resolve (like a good movie), this can be done with chords/voicings and/or with rythms as well (this is where a keen ear and study of music pays off.... analize your favorite music for these often hidden tricks). 
 
Rythmic tension may be an odd meter and resolve may be even, ...you could write a verse in 5 and the chourus in 4 or 6 as an example or a 7 that moves to an 8.  Keep it simple, these changes should have musical meaning within the piece.
 
Seldom do I invision an entire piece/song, often it's a slow evolution and usually (if you record often) you may have that missing piece/hook in another half baked project on your hardrive just waiting to be mined (record everything/record often).  This type of Frankenstein music creation is not uncommon especially in prog where pieces are longer and more complex in general.
 
I also like to take a part and play it to death, stretch it out and let it find itself, you may end up twisting it inside out and finding a better way to play it.  It's good to have a live mic incase you hear a melody in your head you can mumble it.  Allow the music to come out on it's own.  Again, this is where recording everything helps.  You can go back (a few days later with clear ears) and analize what you captured, disect what worked from the crap.
 
And it's probably best to work with someone else along the way (even Pat metheny needs Lyle Mayes).
 
did I bore you to tears yet?
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2007 at 12:28
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Get really high and fool around with your instrument.
 
don't do that. thats how really crappy stupid music is made. i suggest becoming a music major and then dropping out and moving back in with your parents.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2007 at 21:43
listen to the music, and formulate your own versions of it for starters. One thing you don't want to do is try to hard. That either leads to gentle giant, or crap (those two are in no way synonymous!). Just try to think of different movements and link them together with themes, think in themes. As for time signatures, don't intentionally use obscure signatures. Use the time signature that you hear in your head when writing the parts. Let it come out as you hear it in your head. Some riffs were meant tom be in different time signatures. Just go with the feel of it, intuition. There's no one way to do it, there are no set rules, except progression!
for those about to prog, we salute you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2007 at 00:02
you've got to listen to prog at all times. Let it really get into your head. Knowing some basic theory helps too, but I must admit, I don't know much 'formal theory', but my musical intuition, mixed with extensive knowledge of all sorts of scales has done me well. also, getting aquainted with the concept of jazz improv will open your mind to new ideas and melodieas you would never have considered before. Whatever you do, try to avoid the basic songwriting pattern of verse bridge chorus etc. It's tough...I know, but we as progressive musicians should explore different waters than others have. As for time signatures, don't force it. let it come out naturally. If it comes out in 5/4, so be it. I had a good riff naturally come out in 9/8 once. Just let the music tell you! Also, if it is a progressive song it should naturally progress in some way.
for those about to prog, we salute you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2007 at 00:11
Originally posted by randyhiatt randyhiatt wrote:

 
As a drummer (who fakes the other instruments)  I find inspiration for a new piece  in various ways.  Sometimes I write the piece with a specific time signature(s) in mind, such as starting in 5 and playing with a drum feel.  Sometimes I can hear a bass line and I'll mumble it as I play, sometimes I lay down a rythm and play bass after the fact.  If something crawls out that is musical I usually re cut the drums to fit.  A chicken and egg thing.  A few itterations of that and you may have the core idea on it's way.
  
 
 
I often do this myself, and it works greatly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 15:07
Originally posted by william314159 william314159 wrote:

Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Get really high and fool around with your instrument.
 
don't do that. thats how really crappy stupid music is made. i suggest becoming a music major and then dropping out and moving back in with your parents.


Isn't that how Dream Theater started? 

That's actually a serious question. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 15:10
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by william314159 william314159 wrote:

Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Get really high and fool around with your instrument.
 
don't do that. thats how really crappy stupid music is made. i suggest becoming a music major and then dropping out and moving back in with your parents.


Isn't that how Dream Theater started? 

That's actually a serious question. 


Almost.

Become a music major, drop out, and deliver Chinese food.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2007 at 15:23
Basically, you should just write what you feel like and what you think is interesting to play. Don't force it. Your writing skills will improve eventually as will your playing skills. While music theory certainly is useful, it's not required. A lot of people get one fine without it. It is useful, of course, if you want to write really complex music.
 
I like the idea of playing around with your drums (you don't necessarily have to get high, mkay) and if anything interesting pops up, like a cool beat or something, just take note of it and see if you can use it in your band.
 
I disagree with those who say you should listen to prog all the time. Don't restrict your inspiration to one type of music. Take in as much inspiration as you can from as many genres as possible. Even commercial music may have many fascinating and inspiring facets to it.
 
I hope this makes sense.
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