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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2007 at 03:19
Originally posted by artguyken artguyken wrote:

But then I don't think the label stamped on it is going to change the way people react to it.


Agreed ... The main fact is that the people are familiar with the bands and like their music. Categories only make it easier to define what we are speaking about.

But on the other hand this website f.e. is helping people (me too) to explore new bands at first.only knowing that they are categorized to a genre resp. a special sub genre.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2007 at 21:00
if you'll check the 2007's Top 100, you'll find THE GOURISHANKAR on the 4th place and APPLE PIE on the 9th!!! I'm happy (to say the least!!!)
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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Good to see that Dawn Dialogue has been added to Prog Archives, they made prog under very difficult circumstances during the Cold War.
OMG! Damn hell, I found them!! They are legendary, and they are well-known under the name Dialog. They existed during 1969-1992 (under different names), though the most prog music they've written in 1978-1986.
Their unofficial site: http://www.dialog.gfns.net/ It has some mp3s in the discography section (click on different "О нём - подробнее" links). The official site of Kim Breitburg also features some (but mostly pop): http://www.breitburg.ru/artists/index.php?/4/disco/

Well, in the seventies it was time when prog was overpopular. In (post)USSR all the periods are just shifted in time: Dialog wrote several concept albums/rock operas during the eighties and it was very popular (in 1980 in Tbilisi a rock festival "Vesennie ritmy" {"Spring rhythms"} was held, Kim Breiburg appeared to be the best vocalist {his voice IS clear and captivating even on a tape-rips of his concerts of 80-s!} and the group won the third place on the fest). And what we see know: Europe saw prog renaissance in 1990-s and post-USSR saw it in 2000-s. The timeshift is 10 years

If Horizont was USSR's Yes, then Dialog was USSR's Pink Floyd, Supertramp and Genesis altogether! At those times only Bacamarte and Solaris were to reach the same level in symphonic prog/art rock.
BTW, Dialog's popularity is easily explained: their live performances most times consisted of two parts - the first with serious music, and the second with high quality pop (it was like Genesis of that time and of seventies met in one concert). Also since 1982 they always presented unique light shows.

BTW, after prog "started becoming" unneeded by the auditory (P-J had already told why, and I completely agree), Dialog began to experiment - they wrote songs in heavy or pop-like manner, but always they've tried to input some creativity in the music. It looked like Kino decided to become a bit Supertramp sometimes. But they didn't succeed.
Actually they were experimenting before: in 1985/1986 they wrote 13 minute long space rock song 'tol'ko ty' - 10 years before Porcupine tree's "Sky moves sideways" (the two compositions are much alike).

Well, looking in the discography we see that there were some Antology disks released in 2004. Their essential suites are:
1981 Под одним небом (tape rip from 1981 concert)
1982 Я - человек (Antology 1982/1983, CD 1)
1984 Раздели со мной (Antology 1984, CD 1)
1985 Просто (1984 tape rip, also available on this unofficial release of 2003)
1986 Однажды завтра (available on the 2004 year CD - from 1986 concert, a bit remastered)
That magnificent space rock song I've mentioned appeared as #9 (#10 is also nice) on Antology 1985/1986 CD.

All the antology CDs used to be available here (Russian online-shop), but there's nothing in the stock for 1,5 years already...

P.S.1: are tape rips legal? Is it legal to share them? Hope so - I think it is the only legal way for you to have a listen to the band's music. Though the quality is poor.
P.S.2: I doubt the disks would be rereleased... Breitburg became a producer of some pop sh*t & doesn't seem to be interested. But why were the disks ever released then??

Edited by XPEHOPE3KA - July 17 2007 at 10:17
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2007 at 10:29
Good story,  XPEHOPE3KA thanks  Thumbs%20Up I remember that the poor recording quality kept me from buying the Dawn Dialogue album Unhappy I am very positive about the recent Russian progrock, last week I succeeded to convince some progheads to buy Apple Pie and all are delighted Approve And I am looking forward to the new Little Tragedies and hopefully a new Lost World album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2007 at 11:43


Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

I am very positive about the recent Russian progrock, last week I succeeded to convince some progheads to buy Apple Pie and all are delighted Approve And I am looking forward to the new Little Tragedies and hopefully a new Lost World album.
Well, I've read all this thread and I know you are positive)). Like 'I-didn't-remember-who' has already mentioned, this is an appreciation thread, so I would better stick to reviews. I.e. I consider The Gourishankar as a too pop band, I hate BG and Avtograf because of BG (because BG had stolen almost everything from early Elton John, and I don't like thieves ), Kostarev group, Disen Gage, Aviva and, yes-yes, Apple pie deserve much less appreciation and attention than Lost world or Little tragedies, etc. etc. ...

Actually, I would like to see this topic renamed, so we can really discuss the albums, not only say how good are they.

BTW (not addressing all), where do you guys buy such keyboards? My keyboard lacks '!!!' button, I can't show how argumented my opinion is without that button!

Edited by XPEHOPE3KA - July 17 2007 at 11:44
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2007 at 14:56
I have no idea what all the Russian means on the web-site but managed to listen to a spacey track that reminds me a bit of late seventies Omega.Nevertheless I am really into Disen-gage and The Kostarev group both of whom I discovered through this very thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2007 at 14:59
@X, the Gourishankar a pop band? They definitely don't sound like that to me. Actually i feel just the opposite about the bands you mention. I love Gourishankar and i also like Disen Gage a lot (though their songs resemble each other a bit too much sometimes).

I don't care much for Little tragedies and certainly not for Lost world. Still tastes will always differ Smile.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2007 at 15:10
The Gourishankar has some elements in their music that sound too polished to me but their music is quite progressive and adventurous, at least varied and surprising!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2007 at 15:18
Originally posted by Dirk Dirk wrote:

@X, the Gourishankar a pop band? They definitely don't sound like that to me. Actually i feel just the opposite about the bands you mention. I love Gourishankar and i also like Disen Gage a lot ...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2007 at 18:41
Well, to be more clear: The Gourishankar's songs have some too pop elements for progressive songs. I need some more listens to identify them more precise.
I don't say they are completely pop, I personally like some tracks oh the album - the first and the last ones.

Hehe, actually, for almost every activity it's true that one of the two states (beginning or end) is the most meaningful: when you introduce yourself you better pay most attention to the first 30 seconds of the acquaintance, and when you speak to already known but occasionally met people, they will surely remember your last phrase much more than others.

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Originally posted by Dirk Dirk wrote:

Disen Gage a lot (though their songs
resemble each other a bit too much sometimes).
That's the main point! Not only songs resemble each other, but each song itself is too repetitive.

Actually, after all you told me I think you just like a bit repetitive and/or directionless music like fusion, jazz-rock and psychedelic/space rock more than ELP-styled evolving prog, which uses classic instruments in classic ways.
Yes, IMHOs differ
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 20:01
^ You're certainly right assuming that i like spacerock (and early krautrock). Indeed i also like jazz rock if  the jazz element doesn't become to dominant. But i also like ELP and other symphonic rock as you can see for instance in the symphonic thread. I've always been a bit allergic to the idea of direction in music, for me it's more about melody.

On the point of introduction you've got a good point , reading you're post i just reacted on that without looking much further my apologies for that. So let's get it right this time:

Welcome to the the forums X, actually i'm very happy to see you here also because there's not that many people here that know of all these bands at all in the first place, i'm happy to agree or agree to disagree with you in the future in good nature Smile.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2007 at 12:59
Hey, X, don't tell anybody what your name means!

Welcome on PA, buddy... please remind me if I know you. Are you from progmusic.ru/artrock.ru/neoprog.borda.ru/musicalbox.ru/???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2007 at 10:44
Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

Hey, X, don't tell anybody what your name means!
Google gives an answer ;) errrm... two answers.

Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

Welcome on PA, buddy... please remind me if I know you. Are you from progmusic.ru/artrock.ru/neoprog.borda.ru/musicalbox.ru/???
If I were from one of these places you would have remembered me by nick, wouldn't you?
BTW, I've sent you a PM some days ago...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2007 at 15:10
Originally posted by XPEHOPE3KA XPEHOPE3KA wrote:

Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

Hey, X, don't tell anybody what your name means!
Google gives an answer ;) errrm... two answers.

[QUOTE=Prog-jester]Welcome on PA, buddy... please remind me if I know you. Are you from progmusic.ru/artrock.ru/neoprog.borda.ru/musicalbox.ru/???
If I were from one of these places you would have remembered me by nick, wouldn't you?


I've been trying to figure it out, since you guys started talking about it, but haven't yet.

I was trying to decide if the letters used were the Latin equivalents or what they resemble, like the 3 being cyrillic Z.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2007 at 16:12
My first contact with Russian Art since Dostoevsky:
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=129831


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2007 at 17:11
^ Hope it will keep you from getting the rest of their albums
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2007 at 01:07
I have most of the rest, yes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2007 at 17:38
I've checked my PM, X...which links are dead, VISOKOSNOE LETO ones I guess? Sadly it was temporary fan-site. You can get anything AUTIGRAF-related on avtograf.com.ru/music
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2007 at 21:47
Never heard any russian prog? Prog-jester? erik? can anyone say to me a group i should initially get? that represents well this kind of sound?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2007 at 22:01
Originally posted by LeInsomniac LeInsomniac wrote:

Never heard any russian prog? Prog-jester? erik? can anyone say to me a group i should initially get? that represents well this kind of sound?
 
Not sure about a "sound" but those are good bands and albums:
 
KOSTAREV GROUP - Live@InProg 2003 (available for download) 
 
IN SPE - In Spe (Estonia)
 
You could also check out AQUARIUM and AUTOGRAPH but I'd ask people who are more well versed about these bands.
 
There's a whole bunch of prog from Eastern Europe, if you're interested. I've compiled a list of those (a lot are not in PA).
 
 
 


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