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Points: 9669 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 11:50
Again, I think the crux of this ongoing additions problem is the vague, subjective nature of "prog" or "progressive" as a would-be means to classify widely diverse music forms and artists.
 
Despite what many here continue to post about 'true" or "actual" prog, we have no such broad agreement on the term's parameters. Thus, this issue will always bedevil the so-called "Prog" Archives, as long as such a vague term is used to (supposedly) say what we have here.
 
Prog is a "genre" in name only. It's an anachronistic, outmoded term, and currently, mostly a (hugely subjective) value judgment which basically equates to "good," "complex" or "interesting." Stern%20Smile


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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 12:54
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Again, I think the crux of this ongoing additions problem is the vague, subjective nature of "prog" or "progressive" as a would-be means to classify widely diverse music forms and artists.
 
Despite what many here continue to post about 'true" or "actual" prog, we have no such broad agreement on the term's parameters. Thus, this issue will always bedevil the so-called "Prog" Archives, as long as such a vague term is used to (supposedly) say what we have here.
 
Prog is a "genre" in name only. It's an anachronistic, outmoded term, and currently, mostly a (hugely subjective) value judgment which basically equates to "good," "complex" or "interesting." Stern%20Smile
 
That's partially right, but I think we have to keep the Archives as ProgArchives; if we turn them into rockArchives (which, luckily, won't happen as the owners I'm prety sure don't intend on doing so) then we would have no way but to include EVERYTHING, from U2 to Aerosmith (Dead).... The "PROG" term, as vague and anachronistic as it is, is more helpful than, say, "Art Rock". What if we named this whole website the "Art Rock Archives"? Then an argument could be said that EVERY rock, good or not, is art as it's MUSIC, then we would end with Green Day on the Archives. As bad a term as PROG is, it's the only one that somehow redirects us to the source of all this: the prog of the 70's giants, all the genres that came after them and because of them, all the other genres of music that also tried to go beyond boundaries....
 
By the way, I haven't heard more than songs by The Who so I have no good opinion on the matter (the few I've heard of course are just vile pop/rock, the more popular ones)...But in keeping with the new spirit, I hope they're NOT added.
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 13:26
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Again, I think the crux of this ongoing additions problem is the vague, subjective nature of "prog" or "progressive" as a would-be means to classify widely diverse music forms and artists.
 
Despite what many here continue to post about 'true" or "actual" prog, we have no such broad agreement on the term's parameters. Thus, this issue will always bedevil the so-called "Prog" Archives, as long as such a vague term is used to (supposedly) say what we have here.
 



agreed again Peter.... and again... we just do the best we can with the site we do have.  If I could launch a cyber-coup and run M@X's underwear up the flagpole I would LOL. Until the opportunity presents itself... we goosestep to his drumbeat.
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Points: 12813 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 16:58
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Again, I think the crux of this ongoing additions problem is the vague, subjective nature of "prog" or "progressive" as a would-be means to classify widely diverse music forms and artists.
 
Despite what many here continue to post about 'true" or "actual" prog, we have no such broad agreement on the term's parameters. Thus, this issue will always bedevil the so-called "Prog" Archives, as long as such a vague term is used to (supposedly) say what we have here.
 



agreed again Peter.... and again... we just do the best we can with the site we do have.  If I could launch a cyber-coup and run M@X's underwear up the flagpole I would LOL. Until the opportunity presents itself... we goosestep to his drumbeat.



I thought "Max" was a lady not a gent....hence the underwear thing takes on quite a different complexionOuchOuch
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 18:15
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Again, I think the crux of this ongoing additions problem is the vague, subjective nature of "prog" or "progressive" as a would-be means to classify widely diverse music forms and artists.
 
Despite what many here continue to post about 'true" or "actual" prog, we have no such broad agreement on the term's parameters. Thus, this issue will always bedevil the so-called "Prog" Archives, as long as such a vague term is used to (supposedly) say what we have here.
 



agreed again Peter.... and again... we just do the best we can with the site we do have.  If I could launch a cyber-coup and run M@X's underwear up the flagpole I would LOL. Until the opportunity presents itself... we goosestep to his drumbeat.



I thought "Max" was a lady not a gent....hence the underwear thing takes on quite a different complexionOuchOuch



hahhahah... oh Richard... you kill me .... this pic say everything you need to know about the current state of PA's LOLEmbarrassedAngryWink

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After reading and thinking about the response to this question, I can't understand at all why anyone would not classify The Who as proto-prog.
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Points: 15535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2007 at 13:04
^ It's easy...because they don't want to.

I still would go for an affirmative for The Who.

Chris Squire was heavily influenced by John Entwistle's bass playing.

Rush were influenced by The Who's bass playing.

The Who released a few concept albums before the prog-rock movement in the 70's started.
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2007 at 13:16
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

After reading and thinking about the response to this question, I can't understand at all why anyone would not classify The Who as proto-prog.


that's what I've been saying for 6 months... but the answer is the obvious one.... we all see prog...and hahhaha... proto-prog differently. Still others refuse to look at them as anything than 70's hard rock legends.  To me it's a slam dunk...
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2007 at 13:48
Do you want me to take the Who to the admin team (and probably M@x) for a decision? Is someone prepared to do the work of adding them if they are approved?
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Points: 15535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2007 at 13:50
I would want you to but I don't think I have the ability to add them if they are approved. Except maybe albums 
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2007 at 13:51
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Do you want me to take the Who to the admin team (and probably M@x) for a decision? Is someone prepared to do the work of adding them if they are approved?


hahahha... as you know Bob... I'd love to do  the addition.  I think they fit best in proto...but that would be you alls call.
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2007 at 14:04
OK, I'll take it to the team. As it's the holiday season, the decision will take a bit longer than usual.Big%20smile
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2007 at 14:06
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

OK, I'll take it to the team. As it's the holiday season, the decision will take a bit longer than usual.Big%20smile


thanks Bob.. and no hurry... hell, I  think I started this discussion in the collab area back in January hahhaha.  Just let me know the verdict LOL
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 13:52
The Who have now been approved for addition as Proto Prog by M@x and the Admin team.
 
Micky will be coordinating the addition.
 
Any discussions on the Who shoudl now be in the Prog related and Proto Prog section.
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Points: 15535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 19:23
Thanks for the great news! Thumbs%20Up
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 19:36

The What?
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Points: 19535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 22:23
Well, it's done so we have to accept it.
 
I just hope that now they are not be used as an excuse with the usual "If the Who are here why not X"
 
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Definitely not Ivan!Wink
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Points: 3004 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2007 at 03:54
Wowhoo! :) Not sure i would include them if it were up to me, but i won't mind, the more the merrier, and itäs always good to get new recommendations and read about new albums.

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Points: 7113 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2007 at 03:55
f**kin' A! Er, I mean, quite nice.
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