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ghost_of_morphy
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
Topic: The Album That Killed Prog? Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:06 |
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So which album is the one that made you finally realize that prog was dead?
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TheProgtologist
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:07 | |
Prog isn't dead,but alive and kicking.
So I pick none of them.
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Floydian42
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 13 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 846 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:11 | |
Gah! You have a few good albums there, I.E. The Wall, and Discipline! If I may quote "Curse ya' fer breathin ya' slapshot idiot!"
Heh, but since I believe you mean the first wave of prog, I'd have to go 90125. I found it one day about a year ago, listened to it and gagged. |
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chamberry
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 24 2005 Location: Puerto Rico Status: Offline Points: 9008 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:16 | |
Word. |
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Sean Trane
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Online Points: 20240 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:22 | |
Interesting idea here! But I beg to differ on your choices.
The first four on your list look like the perfect culprits. You may want to include all of Curved Air and most of the post Carnegie Hall Renaissance albums.
Thhe next few are from the 80's and prog was already in a coma, so they don't count.
The Wall and ATOTT are not top be put in such a list, though
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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fuxi
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2459 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:27 | |
DISCIPLINE? A TRICK OF THE TAIL? No way!
I must admit doubt starting creeping in with GOING FOR THE ONE, WIND AND WUTHERING and STORMWATCH, though... |
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StyLaZyn
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:28 | |
Don't be silly. No album killed Prog because it is still alive.
However, Punk damaged Prog's reputation.
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el böthy
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:31 | |
Yeah... word |
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Publius84
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 11 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 1043 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:55 | |
Agree. Prog is alive and it's kicking |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: July 18 2007 at 13:03 | |
We first generation prog fan will argue but many will tell you Topographic Oceans provided plentiful ammunition to the anti-prog brigade - it is hard to argue with the Clash's charge that when inner city deprevation, unemployment, 3 days weeks were common, what did ToTO means to the average teeenager) , combined by the touring excesses of ELP in 1974-6 , combined with many of the first generation bands running out of innovative ideas (that made them attractive in the first place) and several disbanding. But prog didn't die, it either went underground in the UK or moved to a new address off-shore from the UK - although the neo-prog bands appeared and provided the presence above ground.
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salmacis
Forum Senior Member Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 13:12 | |
The very fact people of all ages are still discussing prog to this day show it never did die- I'd argue it's now in its best health for some time, with Marillion, Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater and Rush faring reasonably well in the UK album charts for the first time in years (and in some cases, ever). This would imply that there is a greater audience for prog than there has been for years- perhaps an audience that has tired of the dull, NME-hyped indie bands that are de rigeur at the moment (I tried to move with the times and bought various Strokes/Libertines etc. albums and I was just deflated and disappointed with all of them).
However, the album which damaged prog's reputation the most? I've posted many a time that I like TFTO (though I readily accept it's not perfect and that there are flaws) and it's a LONG way from Yes' poorest, imho, but the candidates I always reach for in the 'worst excesses of prog' category are 'A Passion Play' and 'Works Volume 1'. I cannot find a memorable hook on APP no matter how many times I play it (and don't get me started on that '...Spectacles' thing!!) and even the title of 'Works Volume 1' is pompous! The solo material is, imho, well below the band's usual standard, and really it doesn't justify the album's double album length. Spectacles such as Rick Wakeman's 'King Arthur on ice' extravaganza/folly probably didn't help, either. Edited by salmacis - July 18 2007 at 13:21 |
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E-Dub
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Posted: July 18 2007 at 13:31 | |
I second that. E |
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bluetailfly
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1383 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 13:31 | |
Good idea for a poll.
One album didn't kill 70s prog, but I would argue that there were albums that severly wounded it, some more than others.
My vote goes to "Love Beach." I don't think prog ever fully recovered from the mortifying embarassment of that release. Something was definitely wrong with prog ethos at this point, as later lps by other bands would bear out. In hindsight, it wasn't all that bad, but at the time, it was hard to envision a viable direction for prog; Fripp was about the only guy taking it forward in a serious, uncompromising way.
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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bluetailfly
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1383 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 13:39 | |
IMHO, GFTO and Works I were still powerful prog albums. It's pretty clear that the quality was still there. Granted it was different than the bands' earlier stuff, but it still succeed as good prob. The bands were exploring new ground (they had to), but the lps worked as good music.
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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Dim
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 17 2007 Location: Austin TX Status: Offline Points: 6890 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 13:54 | |
How about "forget th bullocks, heres the sex pistols"
Punk killed prog, not prog. Punk was music answer to music. Rebellious, sloppy, moshy freaks who dont know how to sing, play guitar/ bass, but they an play drums really fast, but with ZERO fills.
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darkmatter
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 23 2006 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 2760 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 13:56 | |
Prog is still alive, so nothing killed it.
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bluetailfly
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1383 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 14:04 | |
You know, I think 60 & 70s prog just evolved to the point where it was becoming repetitive or too esoteric. In my opinion, it was a natural evolution of an artistic style. I don't think anything "killed" it; it was death by natural causes. Prog had a great life, and its offshoots (neo prog and prog metal) have great lives too, I guess (not really being a fan, I'm just assuming).
But prog's death throes were rather amusing in a perverse sort of way (that's why this poll is so amusing). Of course the legacy lives on; I'm still listening to it, but its creative lifespan is over and has been for over 25 years. Edited by bluetailfly - July 18 2007 at 14:27 |
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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FranMuzak
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 01 2007 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 195 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 14:24 | |
Me too, i love many albums and bands from the "so hated "80´s and later ones, so i couldn´t vote.
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ghost_of_morphy
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 14:27 | |
Maybe this would have made a much better discussion thread than a prog poll.
Of course I specifically meant something along the lines of which album was most iconic of the decline and fall of the first wave of prog, but that's not a very sexy title, is it?
I was trying to get representation from most major bands, hence a couple of albums that don't really seem to belong.
The thing that came across most clearly when I was choosing albums was that the decline tended to be a gradual thing spread across two to four albums for nearly all groups. I put up what I thought were the lowest points, for the most part (there's an exception or two).
I appreciate all of the comments and would like to see more of them.
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Melomaniac
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4088 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 14:56 | |
Prog might have been on the respirator for some years, but it never died. And you know the old saying : what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
So I won't vote, as prog WILL NEVER DIE !!!
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