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bluetailfly 
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 Posted: July 12 2007 at 22:23 |
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Hi Ivan,
This language stuff is tricky. I never really learned it until I was in graduate school, and even then I barely understood some of it. But the basic point here is this:
"Tempation" is a noun, and "to go to sleep" is an infinitive phrase that modifies the noun "tempation", so it's all a noun phrase.
So to use it in a sentence, the writer needs to link it to a subject, e.g., "This album is a [tempation to go to sleep]. So "is" is the verb in this sentence.
The point to take away is that when "to" is before a verb phrase (e.g., go, rock, sit, play) it cannot be the predicate (what the subject does) of the sentence. It needs to be linked to a subject/verb construction.
Anyway, I recommend to any one any of Egg's albums because they have saved me from a deep lethargy that was affecting me about prog rock. I thought I couldn't respond to it anymore. Egg (and U.K.) have shown that my sensibilities are still alive, thank the lord.
 I don't know why it has taken me so long to find these bands, but I'm really glad I have. |
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 12 2007 at 22:06 |
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As a second language English speaker I ask: Isn't GO" a verb?
The pseudo sentence is: Temptation to go to sleep
Please correct me if I'm wrong, just trying to learn something new...............Nah, just being stubborn
 Iván
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bluetailfly
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Posted: July 12 2007 at 21:53 |
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Well, I don't mean to get all school-marmish about this, but since I teach English comp, I think I'll throw my two cents in here. Actually the sentence is not a whole sentence. It lacks a verb, which is a necessary part of any sentence, even one word sentences, like "Stop!"
Okay, thank you. I recommend listening to Egg's "Polite Force", what a fantastic album that is.
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bluetailfly
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Posted: July 11 2007 at 23:09 |
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This fragment has no verb or subject. I think the writer was trying to communicate something like: "This album is a temptation to go to sleep."
No verb or subject, plus worthless review = admin delete key.
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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Atkingani
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Posted: July 11 2007 at 17:05 |
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Ratings done to manipulate charts are generally easy to be discovered: same country, same day, same album, etc. In some cases we had 10-15 ratings (no reviews) submitted this way.
However, in case of doubts, we keep th ratings (in dubio pro reo) but continue to keep an eye in the issue.
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Kotro
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Posted: July 11 2007 at 16:51 |
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Yes, but how do you discover which rating is made to manipulate which album? Ratings without reviews come in many forms, from many sources. Hughes Chantraine has them, why can't the Average Joe have them too?
Take "Obras de Violeta Parra", for instance. The album had an impressive record of 4 and 5 star ratings and reviews. At one point, it was the highest rating displayed in the Top100 (4.80, if I remember properly). That decreased to 4.thirty something after a 2-star rating without review was posted by a non-forum member. Yet if it was meant to manipulate the score and bring it down, why not give it 1 star? People are free to browse the main page, ignore the forums and post the rating he desires.
I have not, however, seen if this user in partcular made any more reviews or rated any albums. But then again the whole idea of pursuing an username just because we don't agree with his opinion sounds creepy.  Edited by Kotro - July 11 2007 at 17:13 |
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Bigger on the inside.
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ebag7125
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 21:40 |
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this is kind of a subject change but I think the reveiws should be listed the other way, so when you're looking at an album, the first reveiw you see is the newest one. That way, all the reviews will get their chance at the top.
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micky
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:17 |
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pfff.... this is a review.. not a English paper.  He said in a few words what would have taken me paragraphs to say. Sometimes the quality of a review is it's direct nature. Why spend 500 words saying an album like that is a piece of sh*t made only to prove a point to Roger Waters that the band could make an album devoid of any trace of what made Floyd great (ie. Waters) ..... devoid of any real musical vision.... devoid of any other purpose than to bilk album buyers of their hard earned cash. |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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The T
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Posted: July 06 2007 at 13:16 |
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One L of a review....
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Easy Livin
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Posted: July 06 2007 at 12:10 |
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Oh stop it!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 06 2007 at 04:34 |
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Bob's opening titles are alwaysa joy and proof he spends enough time thinking of the album he reviews.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Posted: July 06 2007 at 04:26 |
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My favourite of Easy Livin's headlines was the one for Tony Banks' 'Bankstatement'- the headline said 'Out Of Credit'...
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Easy Livin
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Posted: July 06 2007 at 04:24 |
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It's a small price to pay for maintaining our open to all policy Erik. Our vigilant memebrs are great at calling out the cheats.
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 05 2007 at 17:22 |
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Prog Archives has become a bit too consumer's friendly, so many possiblities to cheat for 'creative creeps'
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Easy Livin
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Posted: July 05 2007 at 16:16 |
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I know this is usually for iffy reviews but this made me laugh out loud. Easy Livin that is one great pun!
HILLAGE, STEVE — L Review by Easy Livin (Bob McBeath) Admin Group Forum Moderator & Reviews Manager
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The T
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Posted: July 05 2007 at 13:26 |
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Press the delete key, admins!!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 01 2007 at 19:14 |
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Don't be mean Thellama, it's a sentence because it has a verb and the subject doesn't need to be mentioned.
It's a whole sentence, but still not worth
Iván
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thellama73
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Posted: July 01 2007 at 17:37 |
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Technically, it's not even that. There is no grammatical subject. |
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progismylife
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Posted: June 27 2007 at 02:14 |
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I think that's a good solution, Rico.
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Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
One L of an album
Kekal, being around for quite some time,over 10 years,is a very extrodinary band.All the album's they've had is very promising. Never been let down with any of the album,and neither has The Habit of Fire,is album is awesome.