Should ProgArchives turn into ProgMusicAr

I really do have to admit confusion as to why anyone would want to change the name from ProgArchives to ProgMusicArchives.

Essentially, there's nothing different about those two names except one has two more syllables for people to remember.  The site is not called ProgRockArchves, so I don't see what the issue is... it's probably just easier to change the slogan if you want to be nitpicky.

I've noticed there's a severe tendency on this site for people to nitpick about things like this, but they don't seem very important.  The site seems to be functioning quite well the way it is.

erik neuteboom wrote: Ivan, why you keep on saying that The Doors are a pure psychedelic band? In my opinion their music was more than that, no obvious psychedelic overtones but very varied, a blend of psychedelia, classical, blues, rock, jazz and some folk. Eclectic proto-prog would fit as a new category  ! About Prog-related bands, the term 'proggy stuff' turns out to be a very subjective one looking at the band addition during the recent years so I expect some heavy/emotional/subjective debates about possible new additions of Prog-related bands. By the way, I wanted to write a review about a Kitaro album, he is not on this site, I don't hope is rejected ?

Ricochet wrote: Unfortunately, Progressive Electronic won't support it. Vangelis and Jarre have just been retrograded for their popular electro-pop or new-age means of music, Kitaro shouldn't even be considered for prog, definitely not for the improved definitions of progressive electronic. I'm a 'fan" of Kitaro myself, listen to his album once in a while. But the style is pure New-Age, oriental-artificial, technical and mystical, popular and dated. Kitaro was mentioned in the Master List, I picked it up upon the first assignments as a Specialist, philippe said he doesn't like the very unsubstantial music he does, I was already against his New-age 'perfect' but 'far from prog' style...therefore...rejection. My small pop-up in here, since Kitaro was mentioned (among all the other discussion about various prog-related artists making it to a very broadened addition and acceptance)

Erik wrote: I miss a kind of pure objective Progressive Investigation Comittee that is responsible for an objective and consequent addition policy.

Well I tried to set one up Erik, but petty jealousies kiboshed it before it even started...

Edited by Tony R - June 25 2007 at 18:27

Let the name and this lovely logo stay.

ProgArchives is a brand renowned on the Internet and it have its tradition (it's quite long-lasting for the Internet site).

Even if the site changes it's path from prog rock to progressive music in general (and I have mixed emotions about that) the name should stay, really.

it's like an old brand of beer: it's not brewed by monks in monastery anymore, it's made in the modern factory; but the tradition, recipe, the core idea and the name stays.

Tony R wrote: Erik wrote: I miss a kind of pure objective Progressive Investigation Comittee that is responsible for an objective and consequent addition policy. Well I tried to set one up Erik, but petty jealousies kiboshed it before it even started...

of course hahhaah...

@Erik: I'm sorry, dear friend, to have to ask why a rejection to an artist so simply far from any progressive electronic main standards seems like an act of "strong subjective and in-consequent tendencies". Why not think, instead, that progressive electronic has recently received a new and improved definition, which helped make an art out of the genre and a progressive lean out of its main inspiration, and has boosted at double the size of the genre's Archives, leaving the casual and superficial artists towards more and more good electronic musicians with a high fame in the respective schools and a high experiment in making the art of prog electro work. Better.

@Erik and Ivan, since they both mentioned it: I really don't see what the great relation between Jean Michel Jarre and Kitaro would be; one made one kind of popular, home-treated, expansive and sophisticated language electronic; the other made a personal, oriental, spiritual and silent other kind of electronic "nuage".

Is Kitaro quite contemplating to the progressive electronic stage, even if the definitions and the "progressive standards" of the genre have been improved very much in this last half an year, as to actually try to thicken the "short line" between artists very eligible for the genre and artists too independent or, the case here, too far from the general ideas and movements presented or approved? I  think he was moderately (at most) wanted and taken into account, small suggestion threads aroused in a normal pace, the usual consensus was at least a very doubtful one. In rest, the Team of the genre took it under advice and under consensus. I have all the official albums and there are two or three that, barely, say to me Kitaro did something of a more progressive kind in his Electronic-Age music etc. etc. etc.

Back to Ivan's suggestion: I cannot certify for Prog Related, since it's not my genre and my acquaintance of a full form and policy. But I do believe that Prog Related electronic musicians have, instantaneously, a relation with Progressive Electronic. A lesser, weaker, more defectuous, more distant or more doused one (by each case). Therefore adding Kitaro and saying he doesn't have the progressive electronic idea isn't to work, since Kitaro's only possible relation to Prog is by Progressive Electronic.

To shorten it out (kinda), Kitaro has, in my opinion, no progressive means by his music and his New-Age factor (and if New-Age's really what "Prog Related should mean", pardon, then you should account Rick Wakeman for it, even with his 7 shiny implacable points that make him a progressive classic musician << yes, three or four magnificent but also forgotten masterpieces, the same with the master-style, instead 100+ albums of pure New-age criticism, two decade of un-progressive music the minute the classic period was over, a really low connection, as soloist, with Yes and the brotherhood of that symphonic legendary moment, very doubtful and 'regressive' for a full genre, yet indeed very good for a Prog Related position, helping Prog Related be "what it should mean">>- but let's not spread into this discussion). If, then again, Kitaro is wanted for his influence or his possible strings of development (though I can't imagine much), I guess the choice of PR related isn't ultimately mine or philippe's.

Ricochet wrote: @Erik: I'm sorry, dear friend, to have to ask why a rejection to an artist so simply far from any progressive electronic main standards seems like an act of "strong subjective and in-consequent tendencies". Why not think, instead, that progressive electronic has recently received a new and improved definition, which helped make an art out of the genre and a progressive lean out of its main inspiration, and has boosted at double the size of the genre's Archives, leaving the casual and superficial artists towards more and more good electronic musicians with a high fame in the respective schools and a high experiment in making the art of prog electro work. Better.@Erik and Ivan, since they both mentioned it: I really don't see what the great relation between Jean Michel Jarre and Kitaro would be; one made one kind of popular, home-treated, expansive and sophisticated language electronic; the other made a personal, oriental, spiritual and silent other kind of electronic "nuage". Is Kitaro quite contemplating to the progressive electronic stage, even if the definitions and the "progressive standards" of the genre have been improved very much in this last half an year, as to actually try to thicken the "short line" between artists very eligible for the genre and artists too independent or, the case here, too far from the general ideas and movements presented or approved? I  think he was moderately (at most) wanted and taken into account, small suggestion threads aroused in a normal pace, the usual consensus was at least a very doubtful one. In rest, the Team of the genre took it under advice and under consensus. I have all the official albums and there are two or three that, barely, say to me Kitaro did something of a more progressive kind in his Electronic-Age music etc. etc. etc. Back to Ivan's suggestion: I cannot certify for Prog Related, since it's not my genre and my acquaintance of a full form and policy. But I do believe that Prog Related electronic musicians have, instantaneously, a relation with Progressive Electronic. A lesser, weaker, more defectuous, more distant or more doused one (by each case). Therefore adding Kitaro and saying he doesn't have the progressive electronic idea isn't to work, since Kitaro's only possible relation to Prog is by Progressive Electronic. To shorten it out (kinda), Kitaro has, in my opinion, no progressive means by his music and his New-Age factor (and if New-Age's really what "Prog Related should mean", pardon, then you should account Rick Wakeman for it, even with his 7 shiny implacable points that make him a progressive classic musician << yes, three or four magnificent but also forgotten masterpieces, the same with the master-style, instead 100+ albums of pure New-age criticism, two decade of un-progressive music the minute the classic period was over, a really low connection, as soloist, with Yes and the brotherhood of that symphonic legendary moment, very doubtful and 'regressive' for a full genre, yet indeed very good for a Prog Related position, helping Prog Related be "what it should mean">>- but let's not spread into this discussion). If, then again, Kitaro is wanted for his influence or his possible strings of development (though I can't imagine much), I guess the choice of PR related isn't ultimately mine or philippe's.

Well presented!

Ricochet wrote: @Erik and Ivan, since they both mentioned it: I really don't see what the great relation between Jean Michel Jarre and Kitaro would be; one made one kind of popular, home-treated, expansive and sophisticated language electronic; the other made a personal, oriental, spiritual and silent other kind of electronic "nuage".

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 26 2007 at 02:39

yeah, but he's hardly progressive electronic is he??