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ghost_of_morphy 
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Posted: June 18 2007 at 16:33 |
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I was looking through the proto prog section today, and I noticed that, while hard rock bands like The Doors and Deep Purple are given plenty of space, there was no mention at all of The Who, Am I crazy here? I would have thought you could have made at least as good a case for The Who being proto-prog as you could have made for The Doors.
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Posted: June 18 2007 at 16:37 |
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Proto prog would probably require some prog groups as citing the Who as an influence. Prog-related would be a stretch, but they certainly did contribute to the "enlargement" of possibilities in rock music.
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Posted: June 18 2007 at 16:40 |
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Well said. I don`t even know what Purple and The Doors are doing here.
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Posted: June 18 2007 at 16:44 |
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I TOTALLY AGREE. Baba 'O Riley or The Song is Over alone would be enough to admit them here
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Posted: June 18 2007 at 17:54 |
 Vibrationbaby wrote:
Well said. I don`t even know what Purple and The Doors are doing here.
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Posted: June 19 2007 at 03:43 |
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I waw watching Tommy again the other week. What a fantastic soundtrack.
For me The Who have far greater prog credentials than Deep Purple or the Doors, not that I've anything against either, but I think The Who should be here, under Prog Related.
There are moments on the Quadrophenia album which come close to sounding like Gabriel era Genesis. The section of 'Cut my Hair' where Pete Townsend sings sounds like something off the Lamb! Complete with strings, synths, lengthy compositions, fusing of styles and conceptualising, The Who were, for a while at least virtually prog in my opinion.
BTW, I think 'Who's Next' is one of the greatest rock albums of all time.
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Posted: June 19 2007 at 04:29 |
I guess that looking at the groups included in Prog Related, The Who would not be an outrageous addition, by now. (Zep, Wishbone, Queen, Roxy, 10CC etc...)
They've had mini-suites (as far back as 68), rock operas and concept albums, they've toyed around with Terry Riley's ideas etc... And they were very dynamic and tempos changed quite often.
They get my vote for inclusion
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: June 19 2007 at 04:48 |
me too! 
Prog-related would suitable for the Who, but many members feel there shouldn't be a PR section at all. The Who's music and ideas were hugely influential to the development of Prog, i believe PR is useful guide to its development .
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Posted: June 19 2007 at 05:08 |
I've always been against the Who's addition. But I guess its that X is here argument again. Yep, they shouild be included if The Doors, Purple etc are here.
debrewguy wrote:
Proto prog would probably require some prog groups as citing the Who as an influence. . |
No, not really....Purple are Proto Prog and who cites them as an influence? (A prog influence I mean)
Edited by Snow Dog - June 19 2007 at 05:10
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Posted: June 19 2007 at 12:24 |
Where's Who?
What's Who?
Who's Who?
The wisdom of the teams will decide if The Who is added...Let it be...And I think this thread should be in the "suggest bands" lounge....
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: June 19 2007 at 13:39 |
debrewguy wrote:
Proto prog would probably require some prog groups as citing the Who as an influence. Prog-related would be a stretch, but they certainly did contribute to the "enlargement" of possibilities in rock music. |
I believe that a couple members of Yes have mentioned the influence of The Who (most notably Squire.)
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Posted: June 19 2007 at 13:46 |
First...this is in the wrong section,it should be in Suggest New Bands/Artists.
There was a thread there already about The Who,but I can't find it,so I will leave this one open.
Edited by TheProgtologist - June 19 2007 at 14:15
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Posted: June 19 2007 at 13:55 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
debrewguy wrote:
Proto prog would probably require some prog groups as citing the Who as an influence. Prog-related would be a stretch, but they certainly did contribute to the "enlargement" of possibilities in rock music. |
I believe that a couple members of Yes have mentioned the influence of The Who (most notably Squire.) |
Influenced by the music? Or maybe by the bass playing, which is different.
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Posted: June 19 2007 at 17:57 |
debrewguy wrote:
Proto prog would probably require some prog groups as citing the Who as an influence. Prog-related would be a stretch, but they certainly did contribute to the "enlargement" of possibilities in rock music. |
Listen to Who's Next, then Mirage by Camel, they borrowed some of who's ideas on that album.
Also the Rush album Farewell to Kings has some influence from the Who, especially the frst two tracks Geddy at times sings like Roger Daltery.
Chris Squire has cited John Entwistle as a major influence.
I can also here elements of the Who in Genesis, when I first heard Harold the Barrel by Genesis I thought it was a Who song!!!
So yep Proto/related.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: June 19 2007 at 20:53 |
Snow Dog wrote:
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
debrewguy wrote:
Proto prog would probably require some prog groups as citing the Who as an influence. Prog-related would be a stretch, but they certainly did contribute to the "enlargement" of possibilities in rock music. |
I believe that a couple members of Yes have mentioned the influence of The Who (most notably Squire.) |
Influenced by the music? Or maybe by the bass playing, which is different. |
How old are you, anyway? Squire's bass playing was considered both innovative and definitive during the early phase of the prog movement, I think you have to consider that his influences are also influences on prog.
And yet still The Who have more credible than the claims that The Doors or Led Zeppelin have towards being considered proto prog or prog related.
I'm not really arguing that The Who should be included. I don't think they should. But they have more solid proto prog and prog related credentials than other bands that have been included. Maybe I'm arguing that other bands should be excluded instead.
And to the guy who posted before me, when you mentioned Camel, you were spot on with what you said.
Edited by ghost_of_morphy - June 19 2007 at 21:06
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Posted: June 19 2007 at 22:59 |
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I consider Quadrophenia to be a prog album, but aside from a few songs here and there (The Song Is Over is the first to mind), they didn't have anything to do with the genre.
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Posted: June 19 2007 at 23:46 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
I was looking through the proto prog section today, and I noticed that, while hard rock bands like The Doors and Deep Purple are given plenty of space, there was no mention at all of The Who, Am I crazy here? I would have thought you could have made at least as good a case for The Who being proto-prog as you could have made for The Doors. |
This issue has been discussed ad nauseam and sttill the opposition (including myself) is strong.
Even when the IF X then why not Y? Argument is absolutely not valid, because every band is evaluated by it's own merits I must say that:
The Doors are a OPesychedelic band and there's a section for Psyche bands
Deep Purple played in the borderline of Hard Rock and Prog
The Who are a symbol of Classic Rock, they have a site of priviledge there, here they will be lumped with Super Furry Animals and Kate Bush, so I believe even The Who wouldn't want to be included as almnost Prog.
As a fan, I don't want to see them lumped with bands that ere not remotely in their level and in a secondary sub-genre.
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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 19 2007 at 23:47
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Posted: June 20 2007 at 04:45 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
debrewguy wrote:
Proto prog would probably require some prog groups as citing the Who as an influence. Prog-related would be a stretch, but they certainly did contribute to the "enlargement" of possibilities in rock music. |
I believe that a couple members of Yes have mentioned the influence of The Who (most notably Squire.) |
Influenced by the music? Or maybe by the bass playing, which is different. |
How old are you, anyway? Squire's bass playing was considered both innovative and definitive during the early phase of the prog movement, I think you have to consider that his influences are also influences on prog.
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I have no clue what you are talking about.
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Posted: June 20 2007 at 05:59 |
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hahha.. still going on I see...
strong opposition or not. The Who will come to PA's.. You all know it and I do. They as much as the Beatles were responsible for creating the atmosphere that made Progressive Rock possible. You all can focus in the image that those who don't know music like we are supposed to focus on. As a 70's hard rock group... or you can pull your heads out of your asses and recognize that that along with the Beatles... the catagory of Proto Prog was ready made for the Who and their real importance to rock music... not the popular notion as decadent rock stars.
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Posted: June 20 2007 at 06:14 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
First...this is in the wrong section,it should be in Suggest New Bands/Artists.
There was a thread there already about The Who,but I can't find it,so I will leave this one open. |
It was over a year old anyways...I checked and revived it a few months ago.
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