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Originally posted by professormarvel professormarvel wrote:

Ive read and re-read this review

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=10564

and can't help feeling that the last paragraph is advocating bootlegging

''''If you already have it, well you know why you bought it, there is music for every taste, but if you're a fan of early Genesis, save your money and buy any decent bootleg if you have all the progressive albums.'''''

I'd be curious as to the reviewers and other members opinions



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Hello Lady Iona: See you're back with another nick.
 
The only "bootlegs" I know from Genesis Gabriel era concerts ARE ALL LEGAL
 
  1. TV special for the Belgium TV.

  2. TONY STRATTON SMITH PRESENTS: GENESIS IN CONCERT 1973 (VCD)  

    100% LEGAL  with release number (VCD) (RareVCD02)
  3. Genesis A Band in Concert: 100% Legal Phil Collins Genesis during the Wind & Wuthering era. Widescreen Edition (VCD) (RareVCD04 SE)
  4. Boootlegs provided in the Genesis a History video-biography LEGALLY SOLD AT ANY STORE

Bootleg doesn't mean Illegal, bootleg just means unofficia filml, taken in the concert with less than proffesional equipment.

Those items were legally for sale except the Belgium TV which you can have absolutely legally according to the Betamax Case Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc., 464 U.S. 417 (1984)
 
 Don't try to teach me laws, if you buy a product by Internet in a store with a release number, you have to assume it's legal, if not, it''s responsability of the store, not of the buyer with good faith.
 
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Lets see if it's worth the effort to translate them:
 
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

PAIN OF SALVATION — Entropia
Review by shubb (rodrigo)

5%20stars un disco debut increible............para mi el mejor disco de POS...nada que decir...ademas bajo un titulo bastante complejo de describir como la propia musica que realizan...... como dijo alguien por ahi grandiosas historias mescladas con una lirica increible unoda por un estilo de musica tan versatil como la increible voz de Daniel que es uno de los vocalistas(¡¡¡¡¡¡que musico mas completol!!!!) mas creaivos el mundo del Metal, combinando una cantidad de estilos impresionantes...una obra maestra ...........algo demasiado versatil.....solo me queda agradecer y espero una gira por LATINOAMERICA......Gracias(thanks)

Posted Saturday, May 19, 2007, 01:13 EST
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Translation Summary:
  1. Incredible debut.
  2. Complex title as the music
  3. Daniel's voice is versatile as the music
  4. Metal combined with everything
  5. I hope they visit Latin America
 
 
 
PAIN%20OF%20SALVATION%20The%20Perfect%20Element%20Part%201%20progressive%20rock%20album%20and%20reviews Progressive Metal
(Studio Album, 2001)
Avg: 4.42/5
from 161 ratings

5%20stars La verdad es que no se si este disco es el mejor de POS, pero lo que si puedo asegurar es que este trabajo es una completa obra maestra del progmetal y ni si quiera eso...es un disco esencial para cualquier amante del progressive....Al escucharlo por primera vez fueron varias las sensaciones que me produjo....una combinacion de estilos increible, en algunos caso muy parecido al industrial como Ashes o muy parecido a la mejor veta del progmetal como reconcilation...sin duda un grupo que con sus trabajos conceptuales da mucho que decir....y que reune una cantidad de conceptos increible. Con un Daniel Gildenlæw que con un registro vocal igualando a vacas sagradas del rock como por ejemplo Mike Patton, y ademas llenando completamente con su forma registrar sonidos en guitarra y otros instrumentos......no hay mucho que decir...es Mi banda preferida y un recomendable absolutamente para cualquier amante de la buena musica

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  1. I don't know if this album is the best by POS
  2. It´s essential for every Proghead
  3. Incredible combination of styles
  4. Daniel Gidellow has a voice as good as the ones from the Prog Sacred Cows.
  5. Not much to say IT'S MY FAVORITE BAND and for this reason recommended to any fan of good music,

Not worth to translate, delete it without any guilt, you won't loose anything.

If you add his record:
 

 
We are before a POS fanboy.
 
Iván

 
Case closed!
 
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Not exactly the same, Kid.A...
 
Mastodon's review discusses basically the progressiveness of the album LEVIATHAN. The reviewer leaves the door opened for other band releases. Also, he isn't questioning the band's inclusion here.
 
Pink Floyd's review discusses the progressiveness of the band as a whole and consequently their inclusion here. Considering the band's more than 40 years on-the-road it's a real deceitful point. Anyway, I sent a message to the reviewer and left room for a new text.
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Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

I think that all recent reports were dealt with... thanks!


I cant understand why this one is removed/deleted for breaking "rule 5"

PINK FLOYD — Wish You Were Here

Review by jrfernan

3%20stars Wow! I'm reviewing PF's WYWH and doing so on a site related to PROG music, no less!

This is a tough one, a REAL TOUGH one, to review; at least for me it is. As I'm typing this review the CD is playing in the background. 'Have a Cigar' just finished and 'Wish You Were Here' is making its entrance. As I'm listening, colorful memories and images of my youth pop into my head(some more vivid than others) and I can't help but feel nostalgic. Ah, the 70s!

That being said, I have some SERIOUS reservations about this, or any other, PF album being considered "prog". Why? you ask........well, very simple: PF is first and foremost a Blues band. They play blues and not much else. Granted, nobody plays the blues like The Floyd. They invented and perfected "Symphonic Blues" and although many have tried to copy them, none have succeeded. But that's what they are: a blues band; more more, no less.

If we allow blues bands to enter the prog realm then we need to make room for Hendrix's "Electric Lady Land' and Santana's "Abraxas". Each of those, IMO, MUCH better than WYWH. The musicianship on those two FAR EXCEEDS anything on WYWH. Heck, while we're at it, why not let Miles Davis into the mix as well! Wanna talk about progressive! Get the picture? :-)

But, I think I get it now....As long as the band/artist is British, or European(take Eloy, another blues band, PF clone) then they can be categorized as prog! Is that it?! It sure seems that way to me. For PF to be in the top five and no Hendrix or Santana seems kinda strange to me.

Now, as for the music on WYWH...

The 'Shine On You Crazy Diamond' suite is a nice piece of blues. Not much else. Sure, it has the psychedelic touch and the funky keyboard comping at the end of the second part. It's all very moody and mellow, but it gets old after a few dozen listens. Not very technical and extremely basic to be considered prog.

'Have a Cigar' and 'Wish You Were Here' are radio friendly, Classic Rock songs. I struggle to find anything progressive about them.

Welcome to the Machine is the only piece I would consider prog on this recording. It takes some chances by adding analog synths to the mix, but again, nothing very intricate is going on there either.

Pink Floyd are what they are: a Classic Rock/Blues band that reached unprecedented heights via meticulous studio recordings and impeccable live reproduction of said recordings. But they are not progressive because their music is entrenched in the blues. If we allow blues to infiltrate the prog realm then we might as well open the door to blue grass. How about Bella Fleck?! Is he prog?!

Three stars for WYWH.



When this one is  discussed and kept

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=105217

Clearly breaking the same rule........





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Ive read and re-read this review

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=10564

and can't help feeling that the last paragraph is advocating bootlegging

''''If you already have it, well you know why you bought it, there is music for every taste, but if you're a fan of early Genesis, save your money and buy any decent bootleg if you have all the progressive albums.'''''

I'd be curious as to the reviewers and other members opinions



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Originally posted by billbuckner billbuckner wrote:

Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

 If we allow blues to infiltrate the prog realm then we might as well open the door to blue grass. How about Bella Fleck?! Is he prog?!


Where's the connection between blues and bluegrass besides the word blues? Confused

The irony here is that Bela Fleck would make a nice addition to Fusion.

True, it also ironic that a music fan could be so simplistic. I say we assign him to moderate the anti-Phil Collins thread. LOL
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

This one blatantly breaks rule 5:
 

PINK FLOYD — Wish You Were Here

Review by jrfernan

3%20stars Wow! I'm reviewing PF's WYWH and doing so on a site related to PROG music, no less!

This is a tough one, a REAL TOUGH one, to review; at least for me it is. As I'm typing this review the CD is playing in the background. 'Have a Cigar' just finished and 'Wish You Were Here' is making its entrance. As I'm listening, colorful memories and images of my youth pop into my head(some more vivid than others) and I can't help but feel nostalgic. Ah, the 70s!

That being said, I have some SERIOUS reservations about this, or any other, PF album being considered "prog". Why? you ask........well, very simple: PF is first and foremost a Blues band. They play blues and not much else. Granted, nobody plays the blues like The Floyd. They invented and perfected "Symphonic Blues" and although many have tried to copy them, none have succeeded. But that's what they are: a blues band; more more, no less.

If we allow blues bands to enter the prog realm then we need to make room for Hendrix's "Electric Lady Land' and Santana's "Abraxas". Each of those, IMO, MUCH better than WYWH. The musicianship on those two FAR EXCEEDS anything on WYWH. Heck, while we're at it, why not let Miles Davis into the mix as well! Wanna talk about progressive! Get the picture? :-)

But, I think I get it now....As long as the band/artist is British, or European(take Eloy, another blues band, PF clone) then they can be categorized as prog! Is that it?! It sure seems that way to me. For PF to be in the top five and no Hendrix or Santana seems kinda strange to me.

Now, as for the music on WYWH...

The 'Shine On You Crazy Diamond' suite is a nice piece of blues. Not much else. Sure, it has the psychedelic touch and the funky keyboard comping at the end of the second part. It's all very moody and mellow, but it gets old after a few dozen listens. Not very technical and extremely basic to be considered prog.

'Have a Cigar' and 'Wish You Were Here' are radio friendly, Classic Rock songs. I struggle to find anything progressive about them.

Welcome to the Machine is the only piece I would consider prog on this recording. It takes some chances by adding analog synths to the mix, but again, nothing very intricate is going on there either.

Pink Floyd are what they are: a Classic Rock/Blues band that reached unprecedented heights via meticulous studio recordings and impeccable live reproduction of said recordings. But they are not progressive because their music is entrenched in the blues. If we allow blues to infiltrate the prog realm then we might as well open the door to blue grass. How about Bella Fleck?! Is he prog?!

Three stars for WYWH.

 
 
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Sorry, jrfernan, but you HAD to click OK to accept this before you submitted your review.
 
Oh, BTW,  Pink Floyd is NOT just a blues band, and your review does not validate your opinion beyond that - an opinion, which is not shared by the Prog community at large.
 
Please feel free to start a discussion on the subject - which I will look forward to Big%20smile

 You mean we can't argue that King Crimson started out as a jazz band, and are now a heavy metal group & thus barely qualify for inclusion ??? Wink
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Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

 If we allow blues to infiltrate the prog realm then we might as well open the door to blue grass. How about Bella Fleck?! Is he prog?!


Where's the connection between blues and bluegrass besides the word blues? Confused

The irony here is that Bela Fleck would make a nice addition to Fusion.
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

^Mademoiselle Nobs and Seamus are the same song, and Money isn't strictly a blues song - it started out as one, but evolved, just as the Floyd started out as a blues band.
 
The reviews aren't a place for such a discussion - or the below discussion about which bands should or should not be in the archives (as Rule 5 states!):
 
"If we allow blues bands to enter the prog realm then we need to make room for Hendrix's "Electric Lady Land' and Santana's "Abraxas". Each of those, IMO, MUCH better than WYWH. The musicianship on those two FAR EXCEEDS anything on WYWH. Heck, while we're at it, why not let Miles Davis into the mix as well! Wanna talk about progressive! Get the picture? :-)

But, I think I get it now....As long as the band/artist is British, or European(take Eloy, another blues band, PF clone) then they can be categorized as prog! Is that it?! It sure seems that way to me. For PF to be in the top five and no Hendrix or Santana seems kinda strange to me. "
 
 
Who's quote is that Cert?
 
I want to disagree with him.Big%20smile
 
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Its ok, I worked it out. Your above post has been moved from another thread and the above is a review.Embarrassed


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 If we allow blues to infiltrate the prog realm then we might as well open the door to blue grass. How about Bella Fleck?! Is he prog?!


Where's the connection between blues and bluegrass besides the word blues? Confused
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^Mademoiselle Nobs and Seamus are the same song, and Money isn't strictly a blues song - it started out as one, but evolved, just as the Floyd started out as a blues band.
 
The reviews aren't a place for such a discussion - or the below discussion about which bands should or should not be in the archives (as Rule 5 states!):
 
"If we allow blues bands to enter the prog realm then we need to make room for Hendrix's "Electric Lady Land' and Santana's "Abraxas". Each of those, IMO, MUCH better than WYWH. The musicianship on those two FAR EXCEEDS anything on WYWH. Heck, while we're at it, why not let Miles Davis into the mix as well! Wanna talk about progressive! Get the picture? :-)

But, I think I get it now....As long as the band/artist is British, or European(take Eloy, another blues band, PF clone) then they can be categorized as prog! Is that it?! It sure seems that way to me. For PF to be in the top five and no Hendrix or Santana seems kinda strange to me. "
 


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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I thought about this a while and I can't name a single Blues song by Pink Floyd.LOL
 
From the top of my head:
 
-More Blues
-Two Bar Blues
-Seamus
-Mademoiselle Knobs
-Childhood's End
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-Shine On You Crazy Diamond part 3-5
 
But calling them a blues band is just way off-target... Even though I believe blues CAN be progressive. 
 
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I thought about this a while and I can't name a single Blues song by Pink Floyd.LOL
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^You'll put Kayo Dot at the top?



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Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

I just thought of the perfect way to determine the top of "genre" lists. Me & the T split the site's bands in two & exercise our god like talents to help others know once & for all what's what. And that finally means Klaatu & Ange will reign supreme as they deserve to. I mean, if I get the A to L listed artists. If not, then PFM & Rush get their just desserts. Smile
 
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I just thought of the perfect way to determine the top of "genre" lists. Me & the T split the site's bands in two & exercise our god like talents to help others know once & for all what's what. And that finally means Klaatu & Ange will reign supreme as they deserve to. I mean, if I get the A to L listed artists. If not, then PFM & Rush get their just desserts. Smile
 
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I just thought of the perfect way to determine the top of "genre" lists. Me & the T split the site's bands in two & exercise our god like talents to help others know once & for all what's what. And that finally means Klaatu & Ange will reign supreme as they deserve to. I mean, if I get the A to L listed artists. If not, then PFM & Rush get their just desserts. Smile
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