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 If we allow blues to infiltrate the prog realm then we might as well open the door to blue grass. How about Bella Fleck?! Is he prog?!


Where's the connection between blues and bluegrass besides the word blues? Confused
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

^Mademoiselle Nobs and Seamus are the same song, and Money isn't strictly a blues song - it started out as one, but evolved, just as the Floyd started out as a blues band.
 
The reviews aren't a place for such a discussion - or the below discussion about which bands should or should not be in the archives (as Rule 5 states!):
 
"If we allow blues bands to enter the prog realm then we need to make room for Hendrix's "Electric Lady Land' and Santana's "Abraxas". Each of those, IMO, MUCH better than WYWH. The musicianship on those two FAR EXCEEDS anything on WYWH. Heck, while we're at it, why not let Miles Davis into the mix as well! Wanna talk about progressive! Get the picture? :-)

But, I think I get it now....As long as the band/artist is British, or European(take Eloy, another blues band, PF clone) then they can be categorized as prog! Is that it?! It sure seems that way to me. For PF to be in the top five and no Hendrix or Santana seems kinda strange to me. "
 
 
Who's quote is that Cert?
 
I want to disagree with him.Big%20smile
 
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Its ok, I worked it out. Your above post has been moved from another thread and the above is a review.Embarrassed


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Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

 If we allow blues to infiltrate the prog realm then we might as well open the door to blue grass. How about Bella Fleck?! Is he prog?!


Where's the connection between blues and bluegrass besides the word blues? Confused

The irony here is that Bela Fleck would make a nice addition to Fusion.
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This one blatantly breaks rule 5:
 

PINK FLOYD — Wish You Were Here

Review by jrfernan

3%20stars Wow! I'm reviewing PF's WYWH and doing so on a site related to PROG music, no less!

This is a tough one, a REAL TOUGH one, to review; at least for me it is. As I'm typing this review the CD is playing in the background. 'Have a Cigar' just finished and 'Wish You Were Here' is making its entrance. As I'm listening, colorful memories and images of my youth pop into my head(some more vivid than others) and I can't help but feel nostalgic. Ah, the 70s!

That being said, I have some SERIOUS reservations about this, or any other, PF album being considered "prog". Why? you ask........well, very simple: PF is first and foremost a Blues band. They play blues and not much else. Granted, nobody plays the blues like The Floyd. They invented and perfected "Symphonic Blues" and although many have tried to copy them, none have succeeded. But that's what they are: a blues band; more more, no less.

If we allow blues bands to enter the prog realm then we need to make room for Hendrix's "Electric Lady Land' and Santana's "Abraxas". Each of those, IMO, MUCH better than WYWH. The musicianship on those two FAR EXCEEDS anything on WYWH. Heck, while we're at it, why not let Miles Davis into the mix as well! Wanna talk about progressive! Get the picture? :-)

But, I think I get it now....As long as the band/artist is British, or European(take Eloy, another blues band, PF clone) then they can be categorized as prog! Is that it?! It sure seems that way to me. For PF to be in the top five and no Hendrix or Santana seems kinda strange to me.

Now, as for the music on WYWH...

The 'Shine On You Crazy Diamond' suite is a nice piece of blues. Not much else. Sure, it has the psychedelic touch and the funky keyboard comping at the end of the second part. It's all very moody and mellow, but it gets old after a few dozen listens. Not very technical and extremely basic to be considered prog.

'Have a Cigar' and 'Wish You Were Here' are radio friendly, Classic Rock songs. I struggle to find anything progressive about them.

Welcome to the Machine is the only piece I would consider prog on this recording. It takes some chances by adding analog synths to the mix, but again, nothing very intricate is going on there either.

Pink Floyd are what they are: a Classic Rock/Blues band that reached unprecedented heights via meticulous studio recordings and impeccable live reproduction of said recordings. But they are not progressive because their music is entrenched in the blues. If we allow blues to infiltrate the prog realm then we might as well open the door to blue grass. How about Bella Fleck?! Is he prog?!

Three stars for WYWH.

 
 
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Sorry, jrfernan, but you HAD to click OK to accept this before you submitted your review.
 
Oh, BTW,  Pink Floyd is NOT just a blues band, and your review does not validate your opinion beyond that - an opinion, which is not shared by the Prog community at large.
 
Please feel free to start a discussion on the subject - which I will look forward to Big%20smile

 You mean we can't argue that King Crimson started out as a jazz band, and are now a heavy metal group & thus barely qualify for inclusion ??? Wink
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Originally posted by billbuckner billbuckner wrote:

Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

 If we allow blues to infiltrate the prog realm then we might as well open the door to blue grass. How about Bella Fleck?! Is he prog?!


Where's the connection between blues and bluegrass besides the word blues? Confused

The irony here is that Bela Fleck would make a nice addition to Fusion.

True, it also ironic that a music fan could be so simplistic. I say we assign him to moderate the anti-Phil Collins thread. LOL
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Ive read and re-read this review

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=10564

and can't help feeling that the last paragraph is advocating bootlegging

''''If you already have it, well you know why you bought it, there is music for every taste, but if you're a fan of early Genesis, save your money and buy any decent bootleg if you have all the progressive albums.'''''

I'd be curious as to the reviewers and other members opinions



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Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

I think that all recent reports were dealt with... thanks!


I cant understand why this one is removed/deleted for breaking "rule 5"

PINK FLOYD — Wish You Were Here

Review by jrfernan

3%20stars Wow! I'm reviewing PF's WYWH and doing so on a site related to PROG music, no less!

This is a tough one, a REAL TOUGH one, to review; at least for me it is. As I'm typing this review the CD is playing in the background. 'Have a Cigar' just finished and 'Wish You Were Here' is making its entrance. As I'm listening, colorful memories and images of my youth pop into my head(some more vivid than others) and I can't help but feel nostalgic. Ah, the 70s!

That being said, I have some SERIOUS reservations about this, or any other, PF album being considered "prog". Why? you ask........well, very simple: PF is first and foremost a Blues band. They play blues and not much else. Granted, nobody plays the blues like The Floyd. They invented and perfected "Symphonic Blues" and although many have tried to copy them, none have succeeded. But that's what they are: a blues band; more more, no less.

If we allow blues bands to enter the prog realm then we need to make room for Hendrix's "Electric Lady Land' and Santana's "Abraxas". Each of those, IMO, MUCH better than WYWH. The musicianship on those two FAR EXCEEDS anything on WYWH. Heck, while we're at it, why not let Miles Davis into the mix as well! Wanna talk about progressive! Get the picture? :-)

But, I think I get it now....As long as the band/artist is British, or European(take Eloy, another blues band, PF clone) then they can be categorized as prog! Is that it?! It sure seems that way to me. For PF to be in the top five and no Hendrix or Santana seems kinda strange to me.

Now, as for the music on WYWH...

The 'Shine On You Crazy Diamond' suite is a nice piece of blues. Not much else. Sure, it has the psychedelic touch and the funky keyboard comping at the end of the second part. It's all very moody and mellow, but it gets old after a few dozen listens. Not very technical and extremely basic to be considered prog.

'Have a Cigar' and 'Wish You Were Here' are radio friendly, Classic Rock songs. I struggle to find anything progressive about them.

Welcome to the Machine is the only piece I would consider prog on this recording. It takes some chances by adding analog synths to the mix, but again, nothing very intricate is going on there either.

Pink Floyd are what they are: a Classic Rock/Blues band that reached unprecedented heights via meticulous studio recordings and impeccable live reproduction of said recordings. But they are not progressive because their music is entrenched in the blues. If we allow blues to infiltrate the prog realm then we might as well open the door to blue grass. How about Bella Fleck?! Is he prog?!

Three stars for WYWH.



When this one is  discussed and kept

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=105217

Clearly breaking the same rule........





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Not exactly the same, Kid.A...
 
Mastodon's review discusses basically the progressiveness of the album LEVIATHAN. The reviewer leaves the door opened for other band releases. Also, he isn't questioning the band's inclusion here.
 
Pink Floyd's review discusses the progressiveness of the band as a whole and consequently their inclusion here. Considering the band's more than 40 years on-the-road it's a real deceitful point. Anyway, I sent a message to the reviewer and left room for a new text.
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Lets see if it's worth the effort to translate them:
 
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

PAIN OF SALVATION — Entropia
Review by shubb (rodrigo)

5%20stars un disco debut increible............para mi el mejor disco de POS...nada que decir...ademas bajo un titulo bastante complejo de describir como la propia musica que realizan...... como dijo alguien por ahi grandiosas historias mescladas con una lirica increible unoda por un estilo de musica tan versatil como la increible voz de Daniel que es uno de los vocalistas(¡¡¡¡¡¡que musico mas completol!!!!) mas creaivos el mundo del Metal, combinando una cantidad de estilos impresionantes...una obra maestra ...........algo demasiado versatil.....solo me queda agradecer y espero una gira por LATINOAMERICA......Gracias(thanks)

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Translation Summary:
  1. Incredible debut.
  2. Complex title as the music
  3. Daniel's voice is versatile as the music
  4. Metal combined with everything
  5. I hope they visit Latin America
 
 
 
PAIN%20OF%20SALVATION%20The%20Perfect%20Element%20Part%201%20progressive%20rock%20album%20and%20reviews Progressive Metal
(Studio Album, 2001)
Avg: 4.42/5
from 161 ratings

5%20stars La verdad es que no se si este disco es el mejor de POS, pero lo que si puedo asegurar es que este trabajo es una completa obra maestra del progmetal y ni si quiera eso...es un disco esencial para cualquier amante del progressive....Al escucharlo por primera vez fueron varias las sensaciones que me produjo....una combinacion de estilos increible, en algunos caso muy parecido al industrial como Ashes o muy parecido a la mejor veta del progmetal como reconcilation...sin duda un grupo que con sus trabajos conceptuales da mucho que decir....y que reune una cantidad de conceptos increible. Con un Daniel Gildenlæw que con un registro vocal igualando a vacas sagradas del rock como por ejemplo Mike Patton, y ademas llenando completamente con su forma registrar sonidos en guitarra y otros instrumentos......no hay mucho que decir...es Mi banda preferida y un recomendable absolutamente para cualquier amante de la buena musica

Translation Summary:
  1. I don't know if this album is the best by POS
  2. It´s essential for every Proghead
  3. Incredible combination of styles
  4. Daniel Gidellow has a voice as good as the ones from the Prog Sacred Cows.
  5. Not much to say IT'S MY FAVORITE BAND and for this reason recommended to any fan of good music,

Not worth to translate, delete it without any guilt, you won't loose anything.

If you add his record:
 

 
We are before a POS fanboy.
 
Iván

 
Case closed!
 
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Originally posted by professormarvel professormarvel wrote:

Ive read and re-read this review

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=10564

and can't help feeling that the last paragraph is advocating bootlegging

''''If you already have it, well you know why you bought it, there is music for every taste, but if you're a fan of early Genesis, save your money and buy any decent bootleg if you have all the progressive albums.'''''

I'd be curious as to the reviewers and other members opinions



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The only "bootlegs" I know from Genesis Gabriel era concerts ARE ALL LEGAL
 
  1. TV special for the Belgium TV.

  2. TONY STRATTON SMITH PRESENTS: GENESIS IN CONCERT 1973 (VCD)  

    100% LEGAL  with release number (VCD) (RareVCD02)
  3. Genesis A Band in Concert: 100% Legal Phil Collins Genesis during the Wind & Wuthering era. Widescreen Edition (VCD) (RareVCD04 SE)
  4. Boootlegs provided in the Genesis a History video-biography LEGALLY SOLD AT ANY STORE

Bootleg doesn't mean Illegal, bootleg just means unofficia filml, taken in the concert with less than proffesional equipment.

Those items were legally for sale except the Belgium TV which you can have absolutely legally according to the Betamax Case Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc., 464 U.S. 417 (1984)
 
 Don't try to teach me laws, if you buy a product by Internet in a store with a release number, you have to assume it's legal, if not, it''s responsability of the store, not of the buyer with good faith.
 
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DREAM%20THEATER%20Systematic%20Chaos%20progressive%20rock%20album%20and%20reviews Progressive Metal
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DREAM THEATER — Systematic Chaos
Review by whyname

5%20stars At first I want to say that the Octavarium was the end of the first chapter of DT....you must know it if you want to listen and write the review to Systematic Chaos...Mike Portnoy said that in Score...in special documentary about DT....you must have it if you want to listen Systematic Chaos and write the review about it.....So....when I saw the tracklist of the new album....in March I think....I knew that this album will be very dark...BUT....not in music....but in lyrics...yeah...so now we have May..and new album is here..almost...regular in june...and what is the SCH like?...So let me tell you that this album is the best album...not only of DT....but in Progmetal as while....and why?OK....lets go to the deep of SCH....as I said at the begining...this album is something strange....first album of DT...or ninth?...NO first....previously 8 albums was somewhere....not there than SCH...SCH is not here...in the Earth...but somewhere in Space...in Ifinity...MP said that...is it right?SCH starts different that all their previously albums.....very quick...yees....there are not any special sounds...voices...or intros...In The Presence Of Enemies Is total different start song that The Root....or As I Am...The Glass Prison...etc...so this is the first different element...in DT chapter no.2....and the end of SCH?....again very quick....INTPoE...this song ....the best Start i can not believe....guitar...bass...and after it Jordan solo...one of the best keybord solos that I ever heard...after...guitar solo....chorus of the song...perfect...james comes to SCH very vell...his voice is excelent....and the first song end...half....Forsaken...oh this is the next element in DT chapter no.2.....hard song?melodic?....both...perfect...relax before Constant Motion and The Dark Eternal Night....yes....Metallica in CM?...and what is the problem...it is very useful combination of styles...yes ....traditional DT songs...guitar...bass....keyboards...voices...of Mike Portnoy too....very very strange song...perfect....TDEN...so...very dark song...in music and in lyrics...the heaviest song of DT I think...but perfect riffs and chorus is fantastic....Repentance...the AA saga songs...BUT...ballad....like Pink Floyd...I think better than PF...because...there are much more elements of music..than in PF..Phropets of War...I do not have a words....something Godness...people in it...I do not words...and Grand Final..The Ministry of Lost Souls and ITPoE 2...you must listen to it...I can not write about it...The BEST music I have ever heard..there is all...heavy..melody..epic..I am crying..laughing..an about it is Systematic Chaos...NOT only about music...BUT about US...our World...bad World...We are going to the end...SCH is very heavy album to our minds...to US...


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Just look at it! It's calling for deletion.
I kinda like the staccato phrasing, like seing on the inside of the dude's mind.
 
It's a difficult read, and not much of real value inside, but it's good enough for me.
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Originally posted by darkmatter darkmatter wrote:

These two reviews don't say anything about the actual album, and the third doesn't say much either:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=123266

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=123267

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=123264



I see what you mean, but it's a vague concept to say that a review doesn't say much about an album. I've seen a few lengthy ones that didn't say much either. Mind you, we can question whether it's just an attempt to get to the 200 character minimum.
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Should we allow comeback reviews?

ÄNGLAGÅRD — Hybris
Review by bobesh

5%20stars With respect to the previous reviewer, I must say, that this album never deserves one star. Either hated or loved, this music is something very special in early 90's and all prog history. The technical proficiency doesn't always mean a great album, but Hybris really is a masterpiece, because to this technical proficiency they added original and unusual musical ideas, and swedish spirit and that all makes it one of the greatest prog albums (imo)



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It's a passable review, since the mention to the previous review is limited to one sentence.
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^^^  He's obviously a fan of the band and when he saw a the 1 star review he retaliated with a 5 star review. The review may be decent, but the action behind it isn't. 

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Yea, I noticed those Anglagard reviews too, and I don't like how the second is mostly a comeback at the first.

And is psychospaces the reviewer who was giving a lot of 5 and 1 star reviews before?


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I noticed a couple of cds that had more ratings than showed on the page, can we see who the per\son who left the rating but not the review was or are they posted anonymously?  Confused
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Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Should we allow comeback reviews?

ÄNGLAGÅRD — Hybris
Review by bobesh

5%20stars With respect to the previous reviewer, I must say, that this album never deserves one star. Either hated or loved, this music is something very special in early 90's and all prog history. The technical proficiency doesn't always mean a great album, but Hybris really is a masterpiece, because to this technical proficiency they added original and unusual musical ideas, and swedish spirit and that all makes it one of the greatest prog albums (imo)


 
I believe we are scratching the surface, there's soemthing called action and reaction or cause and effect, Bobesh's review is not good, but the one we should delete first is the provoking and even offensive:
 
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ÄNGLAGÅRD — Hybris

Review by psychospaces

1%20stars Oh my friends, well i dont want to shock you, but this should be the most boring music I have ever heard in my whole life in fact i am very disappointed with Hybris. All of the Anglagard prog fanatic fan boys, who come here with their unconditional love of these guys are doing everyone a disservice. All the band is great from a technical standpoint but this music is going nowhere, there is no CLIMAX , this should not be called Symphonic Prog but Symphonic Robotic Prog, these guys are like robots, mechanical riffs, a time change there, another riff here, then a pause for the flute, and another riff. The structure of the music it's meaningless, there is no substance. ah, another thing that i like to tell, the drummer Mattias Olsson, is drumming consists only of hitting at great speeds and yes this sound physically impressive but musically uninteresting, the actual rhythms he makes aren't at all complicated. There's little syncopation or other rhythmically interesting features, just very fast pedalling. Hurray! You want emotional music? Or instrumental masturbation? Common guys listen to this album again and you all gonna understand. Ultimately,with a few minor prog reviewer exceptions, it seems that Hybris is seen has a masterpiece but Hybris perfectly clear the fact that technical proficiency doesn't make good music or masterpieces.

R.I.P

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Calling people fanboys, making false statements (Only complex is good) and teh masturbation phrase don't help.
 
At least shoud be edited
 
Specially if we check Psycospace's history:
 

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5%20stars PORCUPINE TREE - Fear Of A Blank Planet
2%20stars SYLVAN - Posthumous Silence
2%20stars UNEXPECT - In a Flesh Aquarium
1%20stars DREAM THEATER - Systematic Chaos
1%20stars ÄNGLAGÅRD - Hybris
 
Only the last two have a review (Maybe the foirst four have been deleted)....How can we trust a guy who gives mostly 5 amnd 1 star ratings without reviews?
 
And the Dream Theater review is crap, only talks abiut what he feels when he listens the album not a single word about structure, sound opr music.
 
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Points: 19557 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ivan_Melgar_M Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2007 at 21:23
Yikes, a newbie Focus fanboy????
 
Focus Swedish??????????????
 
Thijs Van Leerstrom LOL
 
Jan Svensonkkerman Wink
 
I heard it all with the new album Humburger Concerto LOL
 
Seems the guy heard the Epic from the album, got emotional and didn't cared to listen the rest of the album or research a bit.
 
Delete them, clear attempt to modify the charts.
 
Iván
 
EDIT: ROFTLMAO, this one is brilliant: "On the first side you'll find four nice songs with interestings riffs that you'll keep in your heart for a while" (huh????????????)
 
The most generic statement I ever read LOLLOLLOL, could fit for any album with four songs in side A.....the guy is shouting "I NEVER HEARD THE ALBUM; ONLY THE EPIC!!!!!
 
Iván


Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 26 2007 at 21:30
            
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