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timesignature 
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 Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:26 |
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Found effetism... I have not attempted to flaunt about myself, I only praised others that I have witnessed with such talent. The one thing that is implied by my thread is that I am not of such musical talent, and an no where near such talent. I'm sorry if I sounded like a dick... I'm still just a teenager with rageing horomones.
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:28 |
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In my post, you wasn't referring to you (singular) but to you (plural). My point was that people who are really dedicated to composition don't normally care a lot (obviously they do to some degree) about fame, otherwise everyone would make r&b influenced pop music with lame innuendos and leak sex tapes of themselves onto the internet. Fame is not a requisite to the creative process, and it can be negative in fact (the strain of success has driven many artists to suicide and even... selling out - in order to keep the level of success they had). Think what Yes and Genesis might have created if they had not been worried about financial success and fame (perhaps 20 more years of Close to the Edge/Selling England By the Pound quality work).
Effetism is the noun form of the adjective effete.
Ok, I'm going to stop wasting our time by continuing this discussion.
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I am but a servant of the mighty Fripp, the sound of whose loins shall forever be upon the tongues of his followers.
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Proletariat
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:29 |
 Matt Dickens wrote:
Has anyone ever noticed that about 99% of prog fans seem convinced that they know more than everyone else. I am not like this. I do, in fact, know everything. |
Whats in my pocketses?
yea I didnt think so B***!
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Matt Dickens
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:34 |
You little sumbitch, when they learned me real good about life in school they telled me not to take no crap from nobody. Suck it.
Proletariat wrote:
Matt Dickens wrote:
Has anyone ever noticed that about 99% of prog fans seem convinced that they know more than everyone else. I am not like this. I do, in fact, know everything. |
Whats in my pocketses?
yea I didnt think so B***! |
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If it ain't broke don't break it.
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Proletariat
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:35 |
Matt Dickens wrote:
You little sumbitch, when they learned me real good about life in school they telled me not to take no crap from nobody. Suck it.
Proletariat wrote:
Matt Dickens wrote:
Has anyone ever noticed that about 99% of prog fans seem convinced that they know more than everyone else. I am not like this. I do, in fact, know everything. |
Whats in my pocketses?
yea I didnt think so B***! |
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Sorry, I will now prosede to "suck it" 
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Matt Dickens
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:38 |
timesignature wrote:
Found effetism... I have not attempted to flaunt about myself, I only praised others that I have witnessed with such talent. The one thing that is implied by my thread is that I am not of such musical talent, and an no where near such talent. I'm sorry if I sounded like a dick... I'm still just a teenager with rageing horomones. |
I didnt intend my statement to be taken seriously. I feel for you though. I guess I'm spoiled. Even though I am from a pretty small town in Kentucky I know of at least five very phenomenal drummers to come out of our town. I've had the privelege of playing with a few of them. I started off as a drummer so I truly appreciate great drummers. The ones that are easy to play with no matter what you play. I also understand the raging hormones thing. I myself am still in high school.
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Matt Dickens
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:39 |
Proletariat wrote:
Matt Dickens wrote:
You little sumbitch, when they learned me real good about life in school they telled me not to take no crap from nobody. Suck it.
Proletariat wrote:
Matt Dickens wrote:
Has anyone ever noticed that about 99% of prog fans seem convinced that they know more than everyone else. I am not like this. I do, in fact, know everything. |
Whats in my pocketses?
yea I didnt think so B***! |
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Sorry, I will now prosede to "suck it" |
Well, dickweed, you can't even spell procede right. Did noone ever teach you how to use English good?
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If it ain't broke don't break it.
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Proletariat
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:42 |
Matt Dickens wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
Matt Dickens wrote:
You little sumbitch, when they learned me real good about life in school they telled me not to take no crap from nobody. Suck it.
Proletariat wrote:
Matt Dickens wrote:
Has anyone ever noticed that about 99% of prog fans seem convinced that they know more than everyone else. I am not like this. I do, in fact, know everything. |
Whats in my pocketses?
yea I didnt think so B***! |
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Sorry, I will now prosede to "suck it" |
Well, dickweed, you can't even spell procede right. Did noone ever teach you how to use English good? |
you must excuse my ADD it can be quite annoying.
also my aixelsid seems to get in the way of proppre garmmer and pselling at timse
and
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Matt Dickens
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:44 |
Proletariat wrote:
Matt Dickens wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
Matt Dickens wrote:
You little sumbitch, when they learned me real good about life in school they telled me not to take no crap from nobody. Suck it.
Proletariat wrote:
Matt Dickens wrote:
Has anyone ever noticed that about 99% of prog fans seem convinced that they know more than everyone else. I am not like this. I do, in fact, know everything. |
Whats in my pocketses?
yea I didnt think so B***! |
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Sorry, I will now prosede to "suck it" |
Well, dickweed, you can't even spell procede right. Did noone ever teach you how to use English good? |
you must excuse my ADD it can be quite annoying.
also my aixelsid seems to get in the way of proppre garmmer and pselling at timse
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 good tymes
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:46 |
Matt Dickens wrote:
Has anyone ever noticed that about 99% of prog fans seem convinced that they know more than everyone else. I am not like this. I do, in fact, know everything. |
Actually, if you really do know everything, then you would be worshiping me right now. Ex: "Oh, Atomic Underscore Rooster, thou art the most radioactive of male ostriches!"
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I am but a servant of the mighty Fripp, the sound of whose loins shall forever be upon the tongues of his followers.
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timesignature
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:46 |
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I made myself misunderstood. I came on revealing such musical knowledge that I have (I'm makeing fun of myself). Its true. The majority of people who are involved with music think they know it all. My sister is one of them, and me. Sorry for bitchin, I definitely need to find others to play with so I can learn to trust others advice better. I'm just a simple musician who loves music.
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Proletariat
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:48 |
timesignature wrote:
I made myself misunderstood. I came on revealing such musical knowledge that I have (I'm makeing fun of myself). Its true. The majority of people who are involved with music think they know it all. My sister is one of them, and me. Sorry for bitchin, I definitely need to find others to play with so I can learn to trust others advice better. I'm just a simple musician who loves music. |
I suggest that you grab a couple of your friends sit down and play, with no prewritten music and NO talking, it helps you learn to appritiate other peoples ideas.
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:53 |
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weed is a good thing to have along in such instances... but you didn't hear it from me.
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I am but a servant of the mighty Fripp, the sound of whose loins shall forever be upon the tongues of his followers.
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timesignature
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:54 |
thats a good idea. without ant pre written music there is no guide line... improvisation and colaboration. This discussion didn't go the way I predicted, but led me exactly where I need to go. Unexpectedly I have learned the lesson I needed.
1. don't be an ass
2. colaborate, trust other ideas
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Proletariat
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:56 |
timesignature wrote:
thats a good idea. without ant pre written music there is no guide line... improvisation and colaboration. This discussion didn't go the way I predicted, but led me exactly where I need to go. Unexpectedly I have learned the lesson I needed.
1. don't be an ass
2. colaborate, trust other ideas |
oh, and he is right about the weed, by the way
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Matt Dickens
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 20:01 |
Proletariat wrote:
timesignature wrote:
I made myself misunderstood. I came on revealing such musical knowledge that I have (I'm makeing fun of myself). Its true. The majority of people who are involved with music think they know it all. My sister is one of them, and me. Sorry for bitchin, I definitely need to find others to play with so I can learn to trust others advice better. I'm just a simple musician who loves music. |
I suggest that you grab a couple of your friends sit down and play, with no prewritten music and NO talking, it helps you learn to appritiate other peoples ideas. |
I'm just trying to give you a hard time, i apologize.
but seriously
'a simple musician'
hahahahahaha
good one 
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timesignature
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 20:02 |
allright.. I'm loggin' off. I'll update on what I learn from here later
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 20:29 |
Apologies for reading certain things into your post regarding intent (at least when it came to my second post) than were actually there (multitasking). I wasn't quite sure what the real focus of this discussion was meant to be. Still haven't reviewed this whole thread for fear of being contaminated  by what others have said (I don't mind approaching this from a more ignorant standpoint). If you're not an extraordinarily talented instrumentalist at this stage, emulation makes for good practice. Then plow your own furrow. If you need more music lessons, well, there are plenty of materials available. As for contamination -- too late. Even innovative musical approaches are not born in a total vacuum -- we build on others work either consciously or subconsciously. But I'm sure you'll think of a good hook (no, not Dr. Hook) that sets you apart. I'd suggest, if you haven't done so already, that you record and engineer (plenty of programs for doing it at home) some music, though you may have already, set-up an account at myspace and then share it with us.
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one hand clap
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Posted: April 30 2007 at 01:22 |
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If you want to help your creativity just sit in front of whatever instrument you play (I play guitar and piano, but I find piano works much better) and just forget everything you have been taught about music. Just play anything; bang on the keys, hit random notes , just play something. Eventually you'll stumble across something that'll make you stop and play it again. You should record anything that you think is worth keeping right away or you might forget it. Just play. I've sat in front of my piano just improvising for hours on end and come up with nothing. But I've also played for 10 minutes and come up with an entire song idea. Don't worry about what you have learned in a music class. Those things only help when playing with others or communicating musical ideas. Take music class to learn how to play and how to improve your playing rather than to learn what to play. Also, don't play with a metronome or anything that keeps a beat, just play whatever comes to mind. Doing this, I've realized that I'm playing in bizarre time signatures (ex. 11/8) only after i recorded it and listened to it again.
This is the best way (at least for me) to truly make something creative.
Try it but remember that what works for one person might not work for another.
Good luck.
Edited by one hand clap - April 30 2007 at 01:26
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maups2
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Posted: April 30 2007 at 04:21 |
one hand clap wrote:
If you want to help your creativity just sit in front of whatever instrument you play (I play guitar and piano, but I find piano works much better) and just forget everything you have been taught about music. Just play anything; bang on the keys, hit random notes , just play something. Eventually you'll stumble across something that'll make you stop and play it again. You should record anything that you think is worth keeping right away or you might forget it. Just play. I've sat in front of my piano just improvising for hours on end and come up with nothing. But I've also played for 10 minutes and come up with an entire song idea. Don't worry about what you have learned in a music class. Those things only help when playing with others or communicating musical ideas. Take music class to learn how to play and how to improve your playing rather than to learn what to play. Also, don't play with a metronome or anything that keeps a beat, just play whatever comes to mind. Doing this, I've realized that I'm playing in bizarre time signatures (ex. 11/8) only after i recorded it and listened to it again.
This is the best way (at least for me) to truly make something creative.
Try it but remember that what works for one person might not work for another.
Good luck.
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I agree, this works for me as well. I think you should try approaching music with feeling over technicality. Perhaps instead of thinking "Oh, I think I should make this interesting and put in a 7/8 section here", maybe try and alter the mood of the piece. For example, I find that riffs in 7/8 seem to sound anxious, and riffs in 5/4 kind of keep you waiting for something. Maybe thats just me. Musical theory is great, but it can also be imprisoning. Don't be afraid to go out of the box (go out of key). Also, if you're playing something and it isn't going so great, stop and think of what you wouldn't normally play, then play that and milk it for all it's worth. You might find that some good comes out of it. Anyways, I don't know if any of this will help you, but as a fellow frustrated musician, good luck. Oh, and as for a "unique idea", record a riff/melody. Then reverse it. Play the new riff/melody back. It yields some interesting results. (and yes there is really nothing new or unique about this technique but you might as well give it a shot)
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