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timesignature
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 17:56 |
You misunderstood me... I don't want anybody else's ideas, I didn't mean to ask for others to share their ideas with me- infact I stated that I hate the interference of other people's advice on my music, no one's ideas can improve my music because the ideas would clash since my mind works different from theirs. There is only one way for music to flow... I'm just feel like I'm not where I want to be in music... like there is something more... no, no one can help me. This is my own task. If there is any way that I can show you some of my experiments explain to me how I can. But as for trying to be a follower of others' ideas, that's not what I want because I'm afraid for my natural stream of music to be contaminated.
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progismylife
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 17:59 |
Why don't you become a recluse and go live on a private island? And you can upload your music stuff to megaupload.com or other site like that.
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BroSpence
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 18:06 |
Tom Waits writes wonderful songs just by f**king around. Do that.
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timesignature
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 18:10 |
maybe...
I just want to make it clear of my intention. There is always an idea that is floating out in space that has not yet been thought of. Something simple that is simply overlooked because your thoughts always comeback to what your familiar with. Everthing in music has not been done, infact it is impossible for such a thing to happen. Any one who understands anything about physics, or quantum theory knows that there is an infinite of possibilities with music, but for our minds to take notice of them is difficult. The reason such a thing is said is because the idea does not yet exist! Take Shrodinger's cat for example... if you put the cat in a box, shoot the box with a gun, is the cat dead? according to quantum mechanics the cat is in a half life until revealed to be dead, so as the unobtained ideas of music exist in a half life until enlightened upon a mind.
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MajesterX
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 18:22 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Ummm..no. Maybe you've never been around a person with natural talent. It is astonishing.
And no, not everyone can become adept at it, regardless of practice. I been around and have seen those who can, and those who can't. That's like saying anyone can become a good painter.
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As a musician since I was 10 years old- I can play in many odd times. I don't pretend I have any natural talent however- I had to work very hard to be able to count in odd times. People with so-called "natural talent" are those who have been exposed to musical training at a young age. I'd be hard pressed to find a 30 year old who just picked up a guitar that can be considered a natural talent. It's a matter of upbringing- not genes, IMO.
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MajesterX
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 18:31 |
timesignature wrote:
- infact I stated that I hate the interference of other people's advice on my music, no one's ideas can improve my music because the ideas would clash since my mind works different from theirs. ........................no, no one can help me. This is my own task. |
....So you basically started this thread in search of a unique idea from other people- now you're saying you hate other people's advice?? Don't ask if you don't want answers from us. Judging by the last line of your original post- you said poly rhythms and such have already been done, you are looking for a new musical technique- not idea per se.
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timesignature
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 18:33 |
That is not what I said at all!!! That is my problem is that so many people are inept at music. I mean to say those with natural talent can play, and as for being around real talent... I have been to boston conservetory with my sister, juliard, and a number of art schools where I have witnessed talent that would not be believed to exist. I have met a nine year old child who would make a majority of these bands like dream theater appear as nothing. I'm not trying to be offensive but I have witnessed true talent among prodigees from around the world that have no fame. Prog rock is talented, but its popularity surpasses its talent. The world of classical music is dying, therefore these irreularities that I have met have no fame. That is why I have a problem... I have seen, experienced, and have converced with geniuses, the rain man of music.
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timesignature
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 18:35 |
I never asked for others advice! That was simply an assumption made by others because I stated that I needed a new idea, hence not anyone else's. Don't read between the lines.
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timesignature
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 18:41 |
the discussion I attempted to make was for others to discuss their own journey in finding their own style.
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laplace
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 18:42 |
don't feel angry, timesignature, some posters tend to approach other people's thoughts as if they were logic puzzles. it's hard to stop =P
I'm also a struggling musician in need of inspiration. sometimes I speedread a book and immediately move to my keyboard and play odd improvisations, or just nothing for minutes at a time followed by a big smashing chord that tends to shortcircuit the poor thing - it's great fun, and sounds far more fresh than anything I could write intentionally, but I don't know how to capture this lightning in a bottle :\
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Kid-A
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 18:51 |
MajesterX wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Ummm..no. Maybe you've never been around a person with natural talent. It is astonishing.
And no, not everyone can become adept at it, regardless of practice. I been around and have seen those who can, and those who can't. That's like saying anyone can become a good painter.
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As a musician since I was 10 years old- I can play in many odd times.
I don't pretend I have any natural talent however- I had to work very hard to be able to count in odd times.
People with so-called "natural talent" are those who have been exposed to musical training at a young age. I'd be hard pressed to find a 30 year old who just picked up a guitar that can be considered a natural talent.
It's a matter of upbringing- not genes, IMO.
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It's obviously genes, or any idiot who learnt from a young age could do it. That's like saying a talented swimmer who started to learn to swim at 30 can't be considered a natural talent- well no sh*t, if you leave things to late you can't learn so quick.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 18:53 |
MajesterX wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Ummm..no. Maybe you've never been around a person with natural talent. It is astonishing.
And no, not everyone can become adept at it, regardless of practice. I been around and have seen those who can, and those who can't. That's like saying anyone can become a good painter.
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As a musician since I was 10 years old- I can play in many odd times.
I don't pretend I have any natural talent however- I had to work very hard to be able to count in odd times.
People with so-called "natural talent" are those who have been exposed to musical training at a young age. I'd be hard pressed to find a 30 year old who just picked up a guitar that can be considered a natural talent.
It's a matter of upbringing- not genes, IMO.
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Well then I guess I have been lucky to see it, twice at different times. Two young musicians, one on piano(14 yo), one on guitar(19 yo), with the ability to naturally (w/o musical training...played by ear), play Crimson, Genesis, Kansas, and Saga. I witnessed the guitar player play Saga's - On The Loose, what seemed almost note for note right after it was played on the radio as a new release. He listened and taped it during a new release broadcast. After one half hour of relistening to the tape and practicing, he nailed it. If that isn't natural ability, I don't know what it is. Some people are more inclined to pick things up more quickly than others. That is natural ability.
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:00 |
Timesignature: your thread appears to be merely an excuse to flaunt your supposed musical effetism and condescension. At least that is how you have been portraying yourself (and no I have not been reading into your statements, but rather reading them plainly) Why would you complain and b!tch about people and their "musical ineptitude" if you want this to become a forum for discussion musical journeys? Why mention your problem if you do not wish to discuss it? - These are rhetorical questions If you have a problem with trying to achieve fame, then musical composition isn't something you're cut-out for. We don't live in the Classical or Romantic eras anymore, so composers can't expect to gain recognition because a feeling of self-entitlement they have about their accomplishments. Sure, John Williams, Phillip Glass, etc... are famous and successful (though I would debate the value of Williams' compositions) but neither would tell you they wrote their music for fame. Glass wouldn't have written Einstein at the Beach if he wanted to be famous (its more infamous than famous for its lack of intermission and attempts to explain general relativity), he would have just kept his job as a professional wrestler (El Diablo). So, despite whatever your intentions may be, your comments appear to be contradictory and confused (as evidenced by the many posters who appear to have posted to your dissatisfaction). - clowns for you
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I am but a servant of the mighty Fripp, the sound of whose loins shall forever be upon the tongues of his followers.
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Proletariat
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:06 |
The most origional thing you could do would be to mutilate kittens, record the sounds, and mix them into a crazy 555/666 signature while incorperating bits of Amizonian tribal music and free experimentation on unused instruments such as the comb and wax paper, armpit, broken music boxes, and electric jug (like the 13th floor elivators)
but thats just an idea
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timesignature
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:08 |
that is not what I meant to do. Notice the title of the thread. True I do discuss the fact that those in my local area are inept at music, but this was not a comment for discussion, this was my narrating of the story of my musical journey. Many things said since then have been due to other comments made that were not of the original conversation, therefore my replies had to do with the subject of those who commented. Therefore, you were not reading between the lines, but you were reading what was said by and in reply to those who were. Therefore your translation of this thread has strayed from the initial.
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timesignature
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:12 |
what does effetism mean? I'm not being sarcastic - I couldn't find it in the thesaures.
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Proletariat
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:13 |
^^^
in that case I have been playing guitar for 2 years. I practise my @$$ off. I have tried to learn and many scales, modes etc. as I can. however I never use them as I tend to like to use melody and harmony only sparingly. I tend tward pure dissonance and noise (think sonic youth) I am completley unable to comprehend time signatures as of now but im trying i swear.
ps. you could go like the velvet underground and get a drummer with no experience or theory, that would kill
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timesignature
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:17 |
where did the subject of achieving fame come from? I discussed those who would not achieve fame who deserve it, and in no way acted as though I was working toward such a thing. There are millions of people trying to make it in music, I would be one in such a vast number. The probability of me achieving fame without any connections, editing equipment other than my home computer, and a rickety squire strat is one in a trillion. No, music is a hobby, my career is in the field of science and mathematics.
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timesignature
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:21 |
imagine... a section of such guitar playing technicality as Between the Buried and Me on that one song with the 7/8 and 13/8 scalar begining, but with a thrashing off beat drummer.
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Matt Dickens
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 19:24 |
Has anyone ever noticed that about 99% of prog fans seem convinced that they know more than everyone else. I am not like this. I do, in fact, know everything.
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