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Wilcey 
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 Posted: April 26 2007 at 16:52 |
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Tony R
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Posted: April 26 2007 at 16:52 |
 MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ remember what happened to me when I mentioned the words "genius" and "Jon Bon Jovi" in the same sentence? |
let's not go there.... 
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salmacis
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Posted: April 26 2007 at 17:06 |
I don't really tend to review genres I strongly dislike (luckily there aren't many in my case, but there are still one or two), the review will ultimately reveal your personal bias against a genre and render the review fairly uninteresting to an interested party. The one example of this kind of thing in one of my reviews was an Enid anthology. The band are not to my taste, but I would have given it 3 stars which I think is a balanced view (I gave it 2 because the CD was so poorly encoded and didn't match up with the tracklisting). It might be seen as a cop-out, but that way you avoid offending people who love their music as in no way did I find it inherently 'bad'. However, I tire of these frequently iconoclastic reviews which have a personal agenda, trashing a much beloved and long-considered-classic in order to boost egos and get a cheap laugh.
Likewise, the idea that some prog albums are 'straight up crap' is an generalisation and it is certainly not factual that any album is automatically 'crap'. I could think of many albums which aren't too well regarded which I personally love, usually because they aren't always prog albums by prog bands.
I do tend to disregard many reviews of newly released albums here, though. How anybody can doll out 5 star reviews (some are being posted before the album has officially been released, for starters) in so short a time is beyond me. I tend to use other sites for new release reviews because, imho, SOME reviews (definitely not all) of new albums occasionally have the unbearable tone/flavour of the 'fanboy'.
I remember that Q list- what delighted me was that, for such an image conscious and self-proclaimed 'trendy' magazine, not one prog album was featured.
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cuncuna
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Posted: April 26 2007 at 17:22 |
No, it is bad; I'm sure.
I'm not prolific regarding reviews. The few ones I've written are possibly unclear, it was a couple years ago and I had even less vocabulary that now. Anyway, it is rather impossible to be fair if you don't like something, but, leaving your preferences at rest for a minute sometimes allows you to see good things in something that you woulnd't normally listen. As for "review", listening to tons of music doesn't qualify anyone to make a meaning coment on the artistry. Fr that, one should gather a lot of info about art as a manifestation, in orther to be able to produce a concise analisis of the thing, and I won't. 
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cuncuna
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Posted: April 26 2007 at 17:24 |
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ĦBeware of the Bee!
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Sir Hogweed
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Posted: April 26 2007 at 19:05 |
I think all reviews should be honest. If a reviewer hates a classic album I would like him/her to be honest and subjective about it. That gives you, the reader, an indication about that reviewer's musical tastes and how they match with your own tastes. That way you know which reviews to ignore safely.
The same goes for ultra-positive reviews on albums that still have to be recorded ;-)
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Bupie
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 03:49 |
Sir Hogweed wrote:
I think all reviews should be honest. If a reviewer hates a classic album I would like him/her to be honest and subjective about it. That gives you, the reader, an indication about that reviewer's musical tastes and how they match with your own tastes. That way you know which reviews to ignore safely.
The same goes for ultra-positive reviews on albums that still have to be recorded ;-) |
Right. I think the only important think is to be honest with our reviews ... which in my case means to listen to the record entirely several times before writing, especially when it is a record that I don't like.
I read many times that people should not review albums that they don't like but I don't get why. I join with Sean Trane on that point (which is not often the case with his reviews ) : you need bad reviews to get this site useful to listeners. The only thing is to keep a minimum respect for the bands because we should not forget that they create and we just criticise.
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FruMp
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 04:28 |
Tony R wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ remember what happened to me when I mentioned the words "genius" and "Jon Bon Jovi" in the same sentence? |
let's not go there.... |
Definately prog related...
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 04:32 |
Bupie wrote:
The only thing is to keep a minimum respect for the bands because we should not forget that they create and we just criticise.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 05:36 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ remember what happened to me when I mentioned the words "genius" and "Jon Bon Jovi" in the same sentence? |
I think you temporarily lost your sanity on that occasion! 
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 06:08 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ remember what happened to me when I mentioned the words "genius" and "Jon Bon Jovi" in the same sentence? |
Oops - you did it again.
"Transformed Man" is a work of genius though, and I don't mean in an accidentally and fashionably humourous-in-a-bad-way type of genius. It took me a while to get it because I was laughing too much at Shatner - then I realised that Shatner was laughing himself... Genius. 
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 06:29 |
^ so being "self-ironic" is automatically genius, but writing really clever hooklines and grooves isn't? I guess it lies in the ear of the belistener (woops, *that* was genius!). 
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tuxon
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 06:58 |
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Bon Jovi is a genius though, as is Shatner, we are surrounded by geniussis and we don't even recognise it.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 07:04 |
Jon Bon Jovi.  Yep, got that.
Genius.  Yep, I understand the meaning.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 07:10 |
Face it ... we're all genius! 
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 07:15 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Face it ... we're all genius! |
I'm not!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 07:20 |
^ reminds me of the old Monty Python joke (from Life of Brian): "You're all different!" -> "I'm not!".
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 07:25 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ reminds me of the old Monty Python joke (from Life of Brian): "You're all different!" -> "I'm not!". |
Thats why I said it Mike! *needs smacks palm on head emoticon*
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Epitath
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 07:38 |
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not my cup of tea
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 07:47 |
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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