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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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What's the ruling on albums being rated without a review? I'm just curious.
Do rated-only albums ratings get viewed on the reviewers reviews page? (that wasn't supposed to be a tongue-twister ![]() If not, then I know of a few reviews that show up on the reviewers page, but only have a star rating. |
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
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This review by TRoTZ is excellent!
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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it could deserve the Pullitzer Prize.... My opinion is that's still too early... Just my opinion.
But of course you're right, it's a good review.
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20436 |
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Last paragraph partially amended.
Of course you can feel the venom coming out of my words, it was meant that way.
![]() ![]() As for the music I said it sounded like late-80's glam-hair-metal, and I don't think I am far off the bat on that one actually. And speaking lengthily about the concept is discussing the music.
If there are more words that hurted you, please tell me. I'll see what I can do.
![]() But this is still an abject piece of crap. Exactly the kind of concept subject that leads to Virginia Tech disasters.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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Ratings without reviews are still accepted Geck0. They carry less weight though when it comes to average calculations.
They should appear on collaborators lists, so that a review can be added later if desired.
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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Thanks for clearing that up, Bob. I was just curious, as I would never personally rate an album without a review and I didn't want to try it and find out.
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20033 |
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This probably doesn't break any rules, I just think it's the most condescending review I've ever read and, as a fan of this CD, I find it quite offensive, especially the bit in red. MAGENTA — SevenReview by Teaflax (John Thelin)
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Chris H ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 08 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 8191 |
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I've never heard the album, so just from a rule stanpoint I don't think there is a problem.
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Beauty will save the world.
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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I remeber him going on about Christina in another, now closed , thread. he said pretty much the same about her.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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I would kike to see Seb Bach under a pile of the biggest, smelliest crap in the planet, not only because he sucks so much but also because he dares to share the name with THE Master of all time.... But maybe there is ONE person here in PA that likes him (maybe many more), and for just that ONE person the review should be altered, as I still find it slightly offensive.
I insist: 1 out of 1900... Such a big deal pressing the DELETE key?
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tuxon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502 |
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Don't know the album, but judging this review I will not make efforts to listen it, but i don't think this review is bad, more likely the album isn't very good.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65681 |
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^ it's really well written
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Please Tux, we are talking about Teaflax, the same guy who hates everything not from UK or the 70's, the same guy who called Kansas mediocre redneck pork burger eaters.
His review makes no sense, Teaflax admits the music is good, the arrangements are good, the instrumental sections are solid HE HATES CHRISTINA MURPHY'S VOICE, THAT'S ALL.
Tina has nothing in common with Dolly Parton, it's ridiculous, her range is between Annie Haslam and Stevie Nicks (What can a singer from Wales may have in common with a Southern USA Country music vocalist with a totally different range?), if you read all the reviews (22) all agree her voice is probably one of the highest points of the band.
I maybe went too high giving Seven 5 stars, but surely doesn't deserve less than 4 stars, please check the reviews and ratings:
I'm not telling you is the best album ever, but it's very very good, Teaflax's review is based only in his dislike for the excellent voice of Christina Murphy Booth, nothing else makes sense with the review and rating. Don't guide yourself by one guy who obviously hates something in the band.Not a review to delete, but surely the comparison with Dolly Parton is hilarious.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 20 2007 at 02:27 |
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tuxon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502 |
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I was merely saying I didn't see anything wrong with the review, if that's his opinion than that's to be accepted.
Just because it doesn't compare to the consensus view, doesn't make the taste of the reviewer bad. and Kansas is quite mediocre come to think about it (judging from a progressive rock perspective). Edited by tuxon - April 20 2007 at 03:17 |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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I just heard Magenta for the first time, and coincidentaly, it's the SEVEN album the one I bought. (well, not coincedentaly: the good ratings drove in that direction
![]() It's a good thing that so many people (including me, if not completely) like that overrated bunch of "burguer eating rednecks" called Kansas, though. ![]() ![]() Edited by The T - April 20 2007 at 13:01 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Tuxon wrote:
I agree with you about not being deletion material, but it’s rude and flawed IMHO, Teaflax hasn’t given a single opinion about the album except: 1. There are solid instrumental sections and backings galore on Seven 2. instrumental sections are free to be more melodically and harmonically adventurous. But then everything changes as art of magic: 1. Prog band be fronted by Dolly Parton's less talented sister 2. There are solid instrumental sections and backings galore on Seven, but they really don't matter much when paired with a vocalist with such mainstream leanings 3. Calls it elevator music Please Tux, how can something be solid and adventurous but at the same time be Muzak? Teaflax searches for the most rude terms and comparisons, I absolutely understand if somebody doesn’t like Seven, specially if heard after the incredible Revolutions, but here are ways to say the things. Tuxon wrote:
Again, it’s not his taste, let me tell you I don’t Like Lark’s Tongues in Aspic almost at all, but would never write a review saying it’s crap. Even worst, if I tried to be coherent, I could not say Bruford is not clumsy because I have praised him before or that Fripp is a talent less jerk because it’s false, so in the pure style of the review under comment, I could say: “Yes, the music is solid, Bruford is impeccable, Fripp is solid as airways but the mainstream tendencies of Wetton reminds me of Michael Jackson’s talentless brother” That would be absurd of course, there’s no relation between both and I would be lying, well Dolly Parton has absolutely nothing in common with Christina, they are opposite poles, not that Dolly is bad, she’s an icon of Country but simply they are totally different. Lets remember by his Kansas thread that Teaflax HATES COUNTRY, that was the main reason for his insults against Kansas, he admits a Prog band having Celtic Ethnic influences, but calling something Country is almost like insulting your mother for him, so he selected the most insulting comparison in his dictionary. Now about Kansas, I disagree with them being mediocre in comparison with anybody, but is something subjective and may be said, it’s an opinion. But choosing the phrase “A bunch of redneck pork burger eaters” is being offensive and not necessary at all, If Teaflax would had written “I don’t like Seven, their sound is too mainstream for my taste and I hate the female vocalist’s voice”, I’m sure nobody would say a word, IT’S HIS TASTE AND IT’S VALID FOR HIM. But being that all the reviews say the contrary, he’s trying to prove how superior his review is to everyone else, by insulting and being rude, leaving enough space for people to believe every single reviewer except him is a fanboy of a popular style. Not to delete, because he has not broken any guideline, but lets keep an eye on the guy because as soon as he gains more confidence, his reviews will start to be offensive, and the worst problem is that he’s not a common troll, he’s coherent in his incoherence because he’s intelligent. |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Ivan, well argued, reasoned ,whatever!
![]() I know he did mention this album in a post eomewhere.....apparently his wife is a singer and she is the one who thought he was listening to Dolly Parton!
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Chris H ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 08 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 8191 |
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Ivan, I think you are ebing a little harsh here. Just because the general consensus liked that album doesn't mean that he is attacking the album by giving it two stars. It just might not be his cup of tea. Maybe the Dolly Parton comparison was a little strong, but the review is fine in my eyes. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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No please Zappa88, don't misunderstand me, if somebody rates Close to the Edge or Foxtot (Which IMHO are superior technically to Seven) and this person gives an argument, I applaud it, great for him, it's his taste and his opinion.
Most preople will rate Lark's Tongues in Aspic with 5 stars, I wouldn't give it more than two stars because I believe it's excessively complex in some sections, but I haven't reviewed it because my arguments are based in pure taste, technically I have nothing to say about them, except maybe that it sounds soulless for me.
If any member gives Seven one star and gives a reason based in the poor compositions, arrangements and his/her distate for the voice, I wouldn't say a word, I can't force people to like the album and most clearly I don't want to because the support of a free site is the multiplicity of opinions.
I'm not asking even the removal of the review, i said clearly Teaflax hasn't broken any guideline.
But I believe it's contradictory, the Dolly Parton comparison sounds like an excuse to bash an album that he's saying has solid music, arrangements and composition, he required one excuse, so well, what better than the most iconic singer oof the genre Teaflax dislikes more (He has ex´ressed repéatedly his absolute lack of any respect for Country music and for most Prog comming from USA.
The paradox is that Magenta is not even from USA, they are from Wales.
Leave the review, I agree it's well written (technically) but it's contradictory (in the concept), sounds to me like wanting to dislike the album and searching for an excuse to support this dislike.
But it's his opinion, and unless he breaks the guidelines, there's no reason to delete a review, and until this point he has not broken anything, only been rude and contradictory (Something can't be adventurous and elevator mmusic simultaneously, this is a natural contradiction).
I just hope visitors read many reviews before rejecting or buying an album, one can be absolutely partial for the wrong reasons.
Thanks
Iván
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20436 |
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Thanks!! I find it well written too.
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Actually I think this abject piece of crap ofd an album should get the boot from the Archives
The subject of the album is enough political incorrecteness to get eviction. I proposed either a retreat of the album or installing a warning that PA is against this despicable endorsement of school violence, muder, torture and rape.
The authors should be ashamed of their abjectness.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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