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What's the ruling on albums being rated without a review?  I'm just curious.

Do rated-only albums ratings get viewed on the reviewers reviews page? (that wasn't supposed to be a tongue-twister LOL)

If not, then I know of a few reviews that show up on the reviewers page, but only have a star rating.
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we have our first Fear of a Blank Planet Review

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=118213

let the madness begin
 
 
This review by TRoTZ is excellent!
 
 
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:

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we have our first Fear of a Blank Planet Review

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=118213

let the madness begin
 
 
This review by TRoTZ is excellent!
 
 
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it could deserve the Pullitzer Prize.... My opinion is that's still too early... Just my opinion.
 
But of course you're right, it's a good review.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2007 at 16:17
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Norbert Norbert wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

You would think a reviewer that is held in such high esteem here could express his displeasure and dislike of the album without peppering words like crap and idiot,etc. all through the review...........
 
 
Well...its just an angry rant isnt it!
 
Yep....nothing about the music AT ALL.
 
And the end is UNCALLED FOR!!!!!!!!!!
 
For bumbling idiots, geeks, pimply teenagers unable to get within 200 yards of the ugliest chicks in school unless he used this album’s “tricks” to get close to her. Max, can we reinstall that Zero Stars rating back. Just for the time for you to expel this junk from your site. If you own this crap, please surrender yourself to the closest mental institution, before you you will become beyond recuperation. An abject piece of crap.
Yes, I wonder how would an underdog non-collaborator member get away with this.Question
 
he wouldn't... this is not against Mr Trane, but we should try to enforce the review guidelines with ANY review....
 
This has nothing to do with Hugues the person.I rarely report reviews and I didn't report it because he slammed a prog metal album.I was just shocked at the wording he used,you could almost feel the venom emanating from them.It also didn't say much about the music on the album,but just seemed like a rant against Bach.I did consider the last paragraph pretty darn offensive though.
 
 
Last paragraph partially amended.
 
Of course you can feel the venom coming out of my words, it was meant that way. TongueWink
 
As for the music I said it sounded like late-80's glam-hair-metal, and I don't think I am far off the bat on that one actually. And speaking lengthily about the concept is discussing the music.
 
If there are more words that hurted you, please tell me. I'll see what I can do.Wink
 
 
But this is still an abject piece of crap. Exactly the kind of concept subject that leads to Virginia Tech disasters.
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

What's the ruling on albums being rated without a review?  I'm just curious.

Do rated-only albums ratings get viewed on the reviewers reviews page? (that wasn't supposed to be a tongue-twister LOL)

If not, then I know of a few reviews that show up on the reviewers page, but only have a star rating.
 
Ratings without reviews are still accepted Geck0. They carry less weight though when it comes to average calculations.
 
They should appear on collaborators lists, so that a review can be added later if desired.
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Thanks for clearing that up, Bob.  I was just curious, as I would never personally rate an album without a review and I didn't want to try it and find out. Clap
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This probably doesn't break any rules, I just think it's the most condescending review I've ever read and, as a fan of this CD, I find it quite offensive, especially the bit in red.

MAGENTA — Seven

Review by Teaflax (John Thelin)

2%20stars If you've ever had the desperate need to hear a competent - if slightly unadventurous - Prog band be fronted by Dolly Parton's less talented sister, you're definitely in luck here. There are solid instrumental sections and backings galore on Seven, but they really don't matter much when paired with a vocalist with such mainstream leanings. The lowest common denominator melodies are bad enough, but their flat, lifeless delivery is what really makes the album unlistenable.

Sadly, Magenta seem think that the vocal sections can - and maybe even should - sound like Light Rock, while instrumental sections are free to be more melodically and harmonically adventurous. It's not an uncommon malaise in modern Prog, but it makes for a strange disconnect when the still fairly innovative (if somewhat derivative) sections sit right next to material that wouldn't be out of place in a hotel elevator.

Evidently, this style is very popular - in Prog terms at least. Maybe it's because it combines the familiar territory of the catchy, simple and repetitive with enough flash and technical prowess to let the listener feel superior to the unwashed masses. However, if you believe that Prog should transcend cliché in as many aspects as possible - not just arrangement, timbre and structure - Seven is unlikely to impress.

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I've never heard the album, so just from a rule stanpoint I don't think there is a problem.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

This probably doesn't break any rules, I just think it's the most condescending review I've ever read and, as a fan of this CD, I find it quite offensive, especially the bit in red.

MAGENTA — Seven

Review by Teaflax (John Thelin)

2%20stars If you've ever had the desperate need to hear a competent - if slightly unadventurous - Prog band be fronted by Dolly Parton's less talented sister, you're definitely in luck here. There are solid instrumental sections and backings galore on Seven, but they really don't matter much when paired with a vocalist with such mainstream leanings. The lowest common denominator melodies are bad enough, but their flat, lifeless delivery is what really makes the album unlistenable.

Sadly, Magenta seem think that the vocal sections can - and maybe even should - sound like Light Rock, while instrumental sections are free to be more melodically and harmonically adventurous. It's not an uncommon malaise in modern Prog, but it makes for a strange disconnect when the still fairly innovative (if somewhat derivative) sections sit right next to material that wouldn't be out of place in a hotel elevator.

Evidently, this style is very popular - in Prog terms at least. Maybe it's because it combines the familiar territory of the catchy, simple and repetitive with enough flash and technical prowess to let the listener feel superior to the unwashed masses. However, if you believe that Prog should transcend cliché in as many aspects as possible - not just arrangement, timbre and structure - Seven is unlikely to impress.

 
I remeber him going on about Christina in another, now closed , thread. he said pretty  much the same about her.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

You would think a reviewer that is held in such high esteem here could express his displeasure and dislike of the album without peppering words like crap and idiot,etc. all through the review...........
 
 
Ok, I'll PM the culprit to see if he can make alterations. TongueWink
 
 
But the derogatory remarks are aimed at Seb Bach (who was a hired hand), even if the project leaders are not spared.
 
I would kike to see Seb Bach under a pile of the biggest, smelliest crap in the planet, not only because he sucks so much but also because he dares to share the name with THE Master of all time.... But maybe there is ONE person here in PA that likes him (maybe many more), and for just that ONE person the review should be altered, as I still find it slightly offensive.
 
I insist: 1 out of 1900... Such a big deal pressing the DELETE key? LOLBig%20smile
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

This probably doesn't break any rules, I just think it's the most condescending review I've ever read and, as a fan of this CD, I find it quite offensive, especially the bit in red.

MAGENTA — Seven

Review by Teaflax (John Thelin)

2%20stars If you've ever had the desperate need to hear a competent - if slightly unadventurous - Prog band be fronted by Dolly Parton's less talented sister, you're definitely in luck here. There are solid instrumental sections and backings galore on Seven, but they really don't matter much when paired with a vocalist with such mainstream leanings. The lowest common denominator melodies are bad enough, but their flat, lifeless delivery is what really makes the album unlistenable.

Sadly, Magenta seem think that the vocal sections can - and maybe even should - sound like Light Rock, while instrumental sections are free to be more melodically and harmonically adventurous. It's not an uncommon malaise in modern Prog, but it makes for a strange disconnect when the still fairly innovative (if somewhat derivative) sections sit right next to material that wouldn't be out of place in a hotel elevator.

Evidently, this style is very popular - in Prog terms at least. Maybe it's because it combines the familiar territory of the catchy, simple and repetitive with enough flash and technical prowess to let the listener feel superior to the unwashed masses. However, if you believe that Prog should transcend cliché in as many aspects as possible - not just arrangement, timbre and structure - Seven is unlikely to impress.

 
Don't know the album, but judging this review I will not make efforts to listen it, but i don't think this review is bad, more likely the album isn't very good.
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Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

This probably doesn't break any rules, I just think it's the most condescending review I've ever read and, as a fan of this CD, I find it quite offensive, especially the bit in red.

MAGENTA — Seven

Review by Teaflax (John Thelin)

2%20stars If you've ever had the desperate need to hear a competent - if slightly unadventurous - Prog band be fronted by Dolly Parton's less talented sister, you're definitely in luck here. There are solid instrumental sections and backings galore on Seven, but they really don't matter much when paired with a vocalist with such mainstream leanings. The lowest common denominator melodies are bad enough, but their flat, lifeless delivery is what really makes the album unlistenable.

Sadly, Magenta seem think that the vocal sections can - and maybe even should - sound like Light Rock, while instrumental sections are free to be more melodically and harmonically adventurous. It's not an uncommon malaise in modern Prog, but it makes for a strange disconnect when the still fairly innovative (if somewhat derivative) sections sit right next to material that wouldn't be out of place in a hotel elevator.

Evidently, this style is very popular - in Prog terms at least. Maybe it's because it combines the familiar territory of the catchy, simple and repetitive with enough flash and technical prowess to let the listener feel superior to the unwashed masses. However, if you believe that Prog should transcend cliché in as many aspects as possible - not just arrangement, timbre and structure - Seven is unlikely to impress.

 
Don't know the album, but judging this review I will not make efforts to listen it, but i don't think this review is bad, more likely the album isn't very good.
 
Please Tux, we are talking about Teaflax, the same guy who hates everything not from UK or the 70's, the same guy who called Kansas mediocre redneck pork burger eaters.
 
His review makes no sense, Teaflax admits the music is good, the arrangements are good, the instrumental sections are solid HE HATES CHRISTINA MURPHY'S VOICE, THAT'S ALL.
 
Tina has nothing in common with Dolly Parton, it's ridiculous, her range is between Annie Haslam and Stevie Nicks (What can a singer from Wales may have in common with a Southern USA Country music vocalist with a totally different range?), if you read all the reviews (22) all agree her voice is probably one of the highest points of the band.
 
I maybe went too high giving Seven 5 stars, but surely doesn't deserve less than 4 stars, please check the reviews and ratings:
  1. Has been rated by 35 visitors
  2. Has been reviewed by 7 collaborators
    • 2 of them grant 5 stars
    • 4 rate it with 4 stars
    • 1 rates it with 3 stars.
  3. 15 Non collaborators have reviewed it
    • 7 of them give the album 5 stars
    • 6 of them have rated it with 4 stars
    • 1 has rated it with 3 stars
    • ONLY TEAFLAX HAS REVIEWED IT WITH TWO STARS
  4. The average of the ratings is 4.14 stars
  5. All the ratings bellow 3 stars  (except Teaflax's), are ratings without reviews, which as we know are not reliable.
  6. If there's something in common between all the reviews is Christina's excellent voice.
  7. According to Teaflax, the music is ADVENTUROUS until she sings and instantly like magic turns into light pop....How in hell can a voice turn a Prog instrumentation into POP????.

I'm not telling you is the best album ever, but  it's very very good, Teaflax's review is based only in his dislike for the excellent voice of Christina Murphy Booth, nothing else makes sense with the review and rating.

Don't guide yourself by one guy who obviously hates something in the band.
 
Not a review to delete, but surely the comparison with Dolly Parton is hilarious.
 
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I was merely saying I didn't see anything wrong with the review, if that's his opinion than that's to be accepted.
 
Just because it doesn't compare to the consensus view, doesn't make the taste of the reviewer bad. and Kansas is quite mediocre come to think about it (judging from a progressive rock perspective).


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I just heard Magenta for the first time, and coincidentaly, it's the SEVEN album the one I bought. (well, not coincedentaly: the good ratings drove in that directionBig%20smile).... But please... the comparisons with DOLLY PARTON are just.... please, only thing they have in common is that they both are... women!! It's like saying "Oh, and that guy Hogarth from Marillion sounds exactly like Kenny Rogers, without the facelift"... Man! The review is a little bit contradictory, but it's the comparison that's truly incredibly.. ridiculous, yes, that's the word.
 
It's a good thing that so many people (including me, if not completely) like that overrated bunch of "burguer eating rednecks" called Kansas, though. LOLAngry.... Man, no wonder he compares Parton with Magenta's singer.


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Tuxon wrote:

Quote I was merely saying I didn't see anything wrong with the review, if that's his opinion than that's to be accepted.

 

I agree with you about not being deletion material, but it’s rude and flawed IMHO, Teaflax hasn’t given a single opinion about the album except:

 

1.        There are solid instrumental sections and backings galore on Seven

2.        instrumental sections are free to be more melodically and harmonically adventurous.

 

But then everything changes as art of magic:

 

1.      Prog band be fronted by Dolly Parton's less talented sister

2.      There are solid instrumental sections and backings galore on Seven, but they really don't matter much when paired with a vocalist with such mainstream leanings

3.      Calls it elevator music

 

Please Tux, how can something be solid and adventurous but at the same time be Muzak?

 

Teaflax searches for the most rude terms and comparisons, I absolutely understand if somebody doesn’t like Seven, specially if heard after the incredible Revolutions, but here are ways to say the things.

 

 

Tuxon wrote:

Quote Just because it doesn't compare to the consensus view, doesn't make the taste of the reviewer bad. and Kansas is quite mediocre come to think about it (judging from a progressive rock perspective).

 

 

Again, it’s not his taste, let me tell you I don’t Like Lark’s Tongues in Aspic almost at all, but would never write a review saying it’s crap.

 

Even worst, if I tried to be coherent, I could not say Bruford is not clumsy because I have praised him before or that Fripp is a talent less jerk because it’s false, so in the pure style of the review under comment, I could say:

 

“Yes, the music is solid, Bruford is impeccable, Fripp is solid as airways but the mainstream tendencies of Wetton reminds me of Michael Jackson’s talentless brother”

 

That would be absurd of course, there’s no relation between both and I would be lying, well Dolly Parton has absolutely nothing in common with Christina, they are opposite poles, not that Dolly is bad, she’s an icon of Country but simply they are totally different.

 

Lets remember by his Kansas thread that Teaflax HATES COUNTRY, that was the main reason for his insults against Kansas, he admits a Prog band having Celtic Ethnic influences, but calling something Country is almost like insulting your mother for him, so he selected the most insulting comparison in his dictionary.

 

Now about Kansas, I disagree with them being mediocre in comparison with anybody, but is something subjective and may be said, it’s an opinion.

 

But choosing the phrase “A bunch of redneck pork burger eaters”  is being offensive and not necessary at all,

 

If Teaflax would had written “I don’t like Seven, their sound is too mainstream for my taste and I hate the female vocalist’s voice”, I’m sure nobody would say a word, IT’S HIS TASTE AND IT’S VALID FOR HIM.

 

But being that all the reviews say the contrary, he’s trying to prove how superior his review is to everyone else, by insulting and being rude, leaving enough space for people to believe every single reviewer except him is a fanboy of a popular style.

 

Not to delete, because he has not broken any guideline, but lets keep an eye on the guy because as soon as he gains more confidence, his reviews will start to be offensive, and the worst problem is that he’s not a common troll, he’s coherent in his incoherence because he’s intelligent.

 

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Ivan, well argued, reasoned ,whatever!Clap
 
I know he did mention this album in a post eomewhere.....apparently his wife is a singer and she is the one who thought he was listening to Dolly Parton!
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Ivan, I think you are ebing a little harsh here. Just because the general consensus liked that album doesn't mean that he is attacking the album by giving it two stars. It just might not be his cup of tea. Maybe the Dolly Parton comparison was a little strong, but the review is fine in my eyes.

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Originally posted by Zappa88 Zappa88 wrote:

Ivan, I think you are ebing a little harsh here. Just because the general consensus liked that album doesn't mean that he is attacking the album by giving it two stars. It just might not be his cup of tea. Maybe the Dolly Parton comparison was a little strong, but the review is fine in my eyes.

 
No please Zappa88, don't misunderstand me, if somebody rates Close to the Edge or Foxtot (Which IMHO are superior technically to Seven) and this person gives an argument, I applaud it, great for him, it's his taste and his opinion.
 
Most preople will rate Lark's Tongues in Aspic with 5 stars, I wouldn't give it more than two stars because I believe it's excessively complex in some sections, but I haven't reviewed it because my arguments are based in pure taste, technically I have nothing to say about them, except maybe that it sounds soulless for me.
 
If any member gives Seven one star and gives a reason based in the poor compositions, arrangements and his/her distate for the voice, I wouldn't say a word, I can't force people to like the album and most clearly I don't want to because the support of a free site is the multiplicity of opinions.
 
I'm not asking even the removal of the review, i said clearly Teaflax hasn't broken any guideline.
 
But I believe it's contradictory, the Dolly Parton comparison sounds like an excuse to bash an album that he's saying has solid music, arrangements and composition, he required one excuse, so well, what better than the most iconic singer oof the genre Teaflax dislikes more (He has ex´ressed repéatedly his absolute lack of any respect for Country music and for most Prog comming from USA.
 
The paradox is that Magenta is not even from USA, they are from Wales.
 
Leave the review, I agree it's well written (technically) but it's contradictory (in the concept), sounds to me like wanting to dislike the album and searching for an excuse to support this dislike.
 
But it's his opinion, and unless he breaks the guidelines, there's no reason to delete a review, and until this point he has not broken anything, only been rude and contradictory (Something can't be adventurous and elevator mmusic simultaneously, this is a natural contradiction).
 
I just hope visitors read many reviews before rejecting or buying an album, one can be absolutely partial for the wrong reasons.
 
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^ it's really well written



 
Thanks!! I find it well written too. TongueLOLEmbarrassedWink
 
Actually I think this abject piece of crap ofd an album should get the boot from the Archives
 
The subject of the album is enough political incorrecteness to get eviction. I proposed either a retreat of the album or installing a warning that PA is against this despicable endorsement of  school violence, muder, torture and rape.
 
The authors should be ashamed of their abjectness.
 
 
 
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