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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 12:44
The closest thing to prog metal I listen too is Porcupine Tree, the only problem I really have with it is that it all sounds like forced to be epic over the top, which I don't like, and there's little variety in the sound. Also, I cannot stand most the vocals, and I can't understand why people would scream into a microphone.

Although, I do respect the musician ship. A lot of those guitarist/keyboardists have a lot of skill and there are unique structures and time signature's and whatnot, it's just not my thing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 13:22
Originally posted by Floydian42 Floydian42 wrote:


I can't understand why people would scream into a microphone.


Back in the 50s/60s people didn't understand either why guitarists would overdrive their amps, creating a distorted sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 13:24
Not that many of the prog metal singers I have listened to scream into a microphone.  Sometimes they might, but not most of the time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:42
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Floydian42 Floydian42 wrote:


I can't understand why people would scream into a microphone.


Back in the 50s/60s people didn't understand either why guitarists would overdrive their amps, creating a distorted sound.


And I'm sure they never did.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:47

the only problem with prog metal is that it is as real as any other prog X genre and this bothers some people for reasons only they know...
-music is like pornography...

sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...



-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 14:55
Originally posted by Floydian42 Floydian42 wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Floydian42 Floydian42 wrote:


I can't understand why people would scream into a microphone.


Back in the 50s/60s people didn't understand either why guitarists would overdrive their amps, creating a distorted sound.


And I'm sure they never did.


Ok, so you're not a guitarist ... but the guys on your signature image know what I'm talking about.Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:08

I can see why many like PM, and consider it "progressive," but modern metal (including PM) is just too hard and fast  for me (and I generally can't relate to the lyrics).

 
Simply put: I don't like the sound it makes.
 
 
I don't like rap, or commercial country, either. No big deal -- there's lots of other music out there (and on this site) for me. Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:11
Originally posted by Peter Rideout Peter Rideout wrote:

Modern metal including PM is just too hard and fast (and often dark in theme) for me.

 
Simply put: I don't like the sound it makes.
 
 
I don't like rap, or commercial country, either. No big deal -- there's lots of other music out there (and on this site) for me. Smile


that's just the way it is Smile

different people like different music - plain and simple.

Imagine how boring it had been if people weren't different - if all of us were the same Confused
The scattered jigsaw of my redemption laid out before my eyes
Each piece as amorphous as the other - Each piece in its lack of shape a lie
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:12
I like dark music!  But usually not music that sounds evil, I think there is a difference between the two.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:53
I don't see any difference between metal and so-called "prog" metal or the differences are very superficial IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:54
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

People who don't like it don't like it because either it's too heavy for them to take and they prefer the lighter stuff(for example some older folks), don't like music that's too fast and technical(admittedly, most prog metal is), or they are just snobs too close minded to even give it a try. First two cases I respect, third one not.

Same with Prog Electronic by the way, it's very similar to prog metal in a way, they are both extremes of prog music and about equally disliked. Prog metal haters just tend to be more outspoken for some reason.
 
Cheeky young monkey!
 
I like a lot of mainstream heavy metal along the lines of Metallica, and I love Rush's albums from AFTK through to Moving Pictures (which pretty much set the precedent for prog metal).
 
I'm also a huge fan of Japanese bands like Ruins and Koenjihyakkei - prog doesn't get much faster or more technical than that.
 
I don't think much of most prog metal because a lot of the time, for me, it's a combination that doesn't really work. Tool and Counter World Experience have both impressed me, but the likes of Symphony X, Dream Theater et al just leave me cold.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:56
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Floydian42 Floydian42 wrote:

I can't understand why people would scream into a microphone.
Back in the 50s/60s people didn't understand either why guitarists would overdrive their amps, creating a distorted sound.


Yes but a distorted sound may be pleasant, which is never the case with metal "singing".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 15:58
^ it's not meant to sound pleasant ...  prog also involves unpleasant sounds - rock, metal, any genre.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 16:02
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

People who don't like it don't like it because either it's too heavy for them to take and they prefer the lighter stuff(for example some older folks), don't like music that's too fast and technical(admittedly, most prog metal is), or they are just snobs too close minded to even give it a try. First two cases I respect, third one not.Same with Prog Electronic by the way, it's very similar to prog metal in a way, they are both extremes of prog music and about equally disliked. Prog metal haters just tend to be more outspoken for some reason.


Cheeky young monkey!


I like a lot of mainstream heavy metal along the lines of Metallica, and I love Rush's albums from AFTK through to Moving Pictures (which pretty much set the precedent for prog metal).


I'm also a huge fan of Japanese bands like Ruins and Koenjihyakkei - prog doesn't get much faster or more technical than that.


I don't think much of most prog metal because a lot of the time, for me, it's a combination that doesn't really work. Tool and Counter World Experience have both impressed me, but the likes of Symphony X, Dream Theater et al just leave me cold.




I much enjoy Jazzrock like Mahavisnu or Mc Laughlin which is far more virtuoso and technical and may be cold as well, but i find not-prog metal to be ugly and repetitive, wrongly technical. Without soul and un-inspired, plus carrying bad vibrations. Nothing progressive cause the music never evolves. I'm pretty sure you'll realize that one day, Miracle. You like too much good things besides.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 16:24
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


I much enjoy Jazzrock like Mahavisnu or Mc Laughlin which is far more virtuoso and technical and may be cold as well, but i find not-prog metal to be ugly and repetitive, wrongly technical. Without soul and un-inspired, plus carrying bad vibrations. Nothing progressive cause the music never evolves. I'm pretty sure you'll realize that one day, Miracle. You like too much good things besides.
 
I have friends telling me the same things you wrote (in bold) on several of the genres I am listening to, including Krautrock bands (which I disagree with, but it's their view which is legitimate such as yours).
I am your age and "still" find metal appealing (all sorts) as much as I still find Krautrock, and all other genres of prog appealing. You don't necessarily grow out of this, it's not always a phase.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 17:26
The "problem with prog metal" is simple: it sounds noisy, soulless and overproduced, almost as industrial music. It's the worst mix that I've known (between prog rock and metal).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 17:27
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Floydian42 Floydian42 wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Floydian42 Floydian42 wrote:


I can't understand why people would scream into a microphone.


Back in the 50s/60s people didn't understand either why guitarists would overdrive their amps, creating a distorted sound.


And I'm sure they never did.


Ok, so you're not a guitarist ... but the guys on your signature image know what I'm talking about.Smile


I am too a guitarist, I can't say I know much about the history of guitars or what people thought of the effects on them, but I can say this: I love distortion. All I mean to say is, I don't understand nor like screaming, I just don't see the appeal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 17:33
All the arguments I've seen against prog metal are stereotypes. Sleepy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 17:38
Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

The "problem with prog metal" is simple: it sounds noisy, soulless and overproduced, almost as industrial music. It's the worst mix that I've known (between prog rock and metal).
 
I have to ask, what bands did you listen to? There are so many different sounding bands here. Like there are in other genres represented in PA. I mean, how can you make a generalization of a whole genre which is as diverse as any other?
I listen and love all genres represented here on PA (as my friends will atest) and I've heard criticism on each of them, and while each argument has some truth to it, it never can be stretched out to a whole style/genre/part of music. I have friends who say that all Electronic Prog is soulless, but again, that's because they don't understand the point of origin from which these musicians come from. I find it to be extremely beautiful and a unique voyage. The same goes for Krautorck, RIO/Avant etc.
About the Soulless, I really don't see how you say this. What's soulless in say, In The Woods? Listen to the first track in Omnio. And that's one small example.
 
But I don't want to defend, I am tired of it (keep doing other defending each day in the real life and don't care to do the same here in PA, have more constructive things to do, like adding bands), so if you dislike it, so be it.
Let's find a common love in another genre and rejoice at that.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2007 at 17:40
^  many people oppose prog metal simply because it's more aggressive than prog rock (in general) ... that's ridiculous IMO.

And to all of you who are desperately trying to get into prog metal (and failing to do so): Maybe it's just not for you.Smile
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