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Due to the comments, Tuz... nevermind, it's being evaluated as "inappropriate" as you reported (I copy all reported reviews to my PC).
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So far I have failed to hear anything notably progressive about their music.
 
Originally posted by Uroboros

I think it more or less comes down to this: nobody would have said they were prog in '95. or '96 or '98 for that matter, or even after Still Life. The way we've come to define prog music now, yes, they have had it in their sound since the beginning, it was mainly a process of polishing the sound afterwards, bringing subtle enrichments with every new release. But we can only say that now. I heard of Opeth in '99 and, according to every magazine and radio show I had access to at the time, they played black/death metal. It seemed fine with me even ater listening to Blackwater Park, until suddenly people started calling them "prog" for some reason, although they definitely weren't prog metal. I guess it's just one of the examples of the gradual, thoughtless reinterpretation of the "prog metal" idiom that the Internet is responsible for.
 
Good summary Clap
 
Originally posted by theprogtologist

Isn't progressive music in general all about pushing the boundaries and expanding?
 
A common misconception - that is one aspect of Progressive music, but that's not what it's all about, and many bands in many genres of music push boundaries without necessarily being considered progressive.
 
The Stranglers are a prime example.
 
Originally posted by theprogtologist

There are so many bands out right now who were influenced by DT and have taken that influence and added something new to it.Changing...evolving...PROGRESSING.
 
That is what it''s all about.
 
Again, no - Progressing in a literal sense is only a part of what Prog Rock bands do.
 
Anyway, it's entirely arbitrary - one person's boundary-pushing and experimentation is another person's "been there, seen it, done it, bought the T-Shirt".
 
Progressive music doesn't necessarily Progress in the sense of change - or even progress in the sense of linearly develop.
 
See Wikipedia for a list of typical characteristics - for once, I won't disagree with what it says, because I played a major part in reconstructing that section, and it now accurately defines the typical characteristics.
 
Progressive music most importantly concentrates on FORM. Writing a simple song with added instrumental breaks is not progressive - that's been happening since the 1960s, and has been common in 12" extended Disco mixes since the 1970s.
 
Developing what is possible in form has always played a key role in progressive music from Progressive Jazz in the early 1950s through Progressive Blues in the mid-late 1960s to Progressive Rock.
 
It is clear from my analysis that Opeth have just about got a handle on the old song structure and like extended instrumental breaks as much as I like, say Iron Butterfly or the Grateful Dead.
 
The focus on technique is admirable - but concentrating on individual aspects of performance and music theory techniques, using music technology to enhance the sonic landscape while ignoring the wider issues of composition technique (which IS what it's all about) is a bit simple-minded.
 
For a clue on progressive music composition techniques, analyse "Nursery Cryme" or "Free Hand", from a broad compositional perspective and live in awe. If you can definitively say that Opeth have compositional techniques (not execution or production techniques) which have progressed beyond those two perfect examples, then I would frankly be amazed.
 
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Again, I don't see how he (Certified) can get away with this on a regular basis. I'd flame him more if I was more immature than I already am.

I guess I'll continue to post his crap until someone other than me takes notice.
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Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

It's a remarkable performance to break that many reviewing guidelines in such a short text... while being a major Collaborator:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=116250


what's wrong with it LOL. Aren't we allowed to have opinions hahahha


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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

It's a remarkable performance to break that many reviewing guidelines in such a short text... while being a major Collaborator:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=116250


what's wrong with it LOL. Aren't we allowed to have opinions hahahha

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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



Originally posted by andu andu wrote:


It's a remarkable performance to break that many reviewing guidelines in such a short text... while being a major Collaborator:http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=116250
what's wrong with it LOL. Aren't we allowed to have opinions hahahha




One of the best reviews on PAs. I haven't laughed so much in ages

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Originally posted by Man Erg Man Erg wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



Originally posted by andu andu wrote:


It's a remarkable performance to break that many reviewing guidelines in such a short text... while being a major Collaborator:http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=116250
what's wrong with it LOL. Aren't we allowed to have opinions hahahha




One of the best reviews on PAs. I haven't laughed so much in ages
 
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hahahhaha.. that's our Philippe... always a ton of laughs LOL 
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

It's a remarkable performance to break that many reviewing guidelines in such a short text... while being a major Collaborator:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=116250


what's wrong with it LOL. Aren't we allowed to have opinions hahahha


I'll leave that on the hands of the Review Moderator. Stern%20Smile However till then this would be a useful read: Reviews guidelines
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Phil is actually the first and only person so far that I have seen explain his reasons of disliking an album in few sentences properly.

edit: had to add 'properly' in the end for sentence to have the meaning I initially intended it to have.


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amen Ivan.....   being concise is an art lost to many reviewers here.
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amen Ivan.....   being concise is an art lost to many reviewers here.
 
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

amen Ivan.....   being concise is an art lost to many reviewers here.


But, but I like my 1000 word essays Cry
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^^^

And more especially... myself.

My CAN - Tago Mago review (which, as I like to think, is approaching the goodness of level of the album itself -- NO snide comments Zappa88) is the longest on the site, if I'm not mistaking... partly by design and partly because I really did have a lot to say.
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Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

amen Ivan.....   being concise is an art lost to many reviewers here.


But, but I like my 1000 word essays Cry


hahhahah...  there's no crying in prog...
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^ Yeah, I think the review is funny too, as I'm not a huge JT fan. But probably those who really love that stuff may get sad. But the arguments why he dislikes that album are good IMO. (I would personally rate that ***-)
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Originally posted by inpraiseoffolly inpraiseoffolly wrote:

^^^

And more especially... myself.

My CAN - Tago Mago review (which, as I like to think, is approaching the goodness of level of the album itself -- NO snide comments Zappa88) is the longest on the site, if I'm not mistaking... partly by design and partly because I really did have a lot to say.
 
Is it longer than that one Octavarium review that used to be the primary example of a superlong review?
 
Haha, when I have vacations I'll try to beat that record (on purpose, with an in-depth lyrics analysis or something LOL).
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Originally posted by Eetu Pellonpää Eetu Pellonpää wrote:

^ Yeah, I think the review is funny too, as I'm not a huge JT fan. But probably those who really love that stuff may get sad. But the arguments why he dislikes that album are good IMO. (I would personally rate that ***-)


all kidding aside.... he does express and opinion and why he thinks so.. in the cute, cuddly way we expect from Philippe. That was my point, again covered in smartassery that being concise and direct is a good thing. 
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Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Originally posted by inpraiseoffolly inpraiseoffolly wrote:

^^^ And more especially... myself. My CAN - Tago Mago review (which, as I like to think, is approaching the goodness of level of the album itself -- NO snide comments Zappa88) is the longest on the site, if I'm not mistaking... partly by design and partly because I really did have a lot to say.

 

Is it longer than that one Octavarium review that used to be the primary example of a superlong review?

 

Haha, when I have vacations I'll try to beat that record (on purpose, with an in-depth lyrics analysis or something LOL).


As of my last edit... Yes, it is. It stills needs an edit or two to shut out the rambling factor (it gained about 1000 words last edit... no such antics here, I've said all I need to say, I just need to fine tune it). It's got a couple hundred on Octyvary-ugghhh.
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oh man... I remember that Octa...arrggg.  review.. 

looking up your Tago Mago review
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