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Zargus 
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 Posted: March 10 2007 at 02:45 |
VdGG is one of my if not my favorite band prog or not, rush is ok i gues but i dno i never liked em very much got 3 albums 2112, farwells to kings & moving pictures nothing special IMO.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 03:22 |
 proggy wrote:
Rush. Not Even Close.......VDGG is Highly Overrated.......... |
Just the other way round for me. Rush are highly overrated.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 03:32 |
Minimalist777 wrote:
VDGG, Rush is a great band, dont get me wrong but I feel that they sometimes succumb to juvenille hard rock cliches makng VDGG better imo.
On a random side note, what are those album covers in your signatue Man-Erg? |
To answer your question: The left album is "Mainstream" by Quiet Sun, the right one is "Nuclear Nightclub" by Wigwam.
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Baube3
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 11:58 |
Minimalist777 wrote:
On a random side note, what are those album covers in your signatue Man-Erg? |
I was asking myself the same question ... 
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MajesterX
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 12:37 |
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Lifeson: first and fifth, first and fifth, over and over and over. . . kind of boring. Fun to listen to sometimes, but it doesn't inspire me.
Definitely Generator. I loooove those droogs. |
...And Peter Hamill is a better guitar player? 
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febus
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 12:50 |
Both overrated especialyy VDGG, but in a way VDGG is not as they never made it big  anyway on the big stage, even prog stage!!
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 13:05 |
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Cant vote. Rush are the better musicians, and are one of my all time top bands, but these days I listen to far more VDGG.
It's hard to explain, but Rush were my introduction to prog. They are like an old friend. I feel like I know them because they meant so much to me in my youth, and I have an undying respect for them. These days the VDGG formula just appeals to me more..for now..
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Floydian42
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 13:23 |
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RUSH!!!!!!!!!
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Minimalist777
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 14:10 |
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Thanks Friede, I feel I should investigate the bands now on the basis of their album covers alone!
Edited by Minimalist777 - March 10 2007 at 14:11
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Prince_Rupert
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 18:51 |
MajesterX wrote:
Prince_Rupert wrote:
Lifeson: first and fifth, first and fifth, over and over and over. . . kind of boring. Fun to listen to sometimes, but it doesn't inspire me.
Definitely Generator. I loooove those droogs. |
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HAHA, I'm not saying he's better. I just think the composition as a whole is more versatile and less typical.
In Rush the guitar is so present, and it always sounds like a lot of chords (mostly "bar" chords) taken directly out of a begining music theory book. I just don't get it.
I like 2112 and some others. But there has never been any rush music that really blew my mind. VDGG does.
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King Zappa
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 19:07 |
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I love Rush so this was prety easy. I don't realy get VDGG, though I am trying to let them grow on me.
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Posted: March 11 2007 at 00:06 |
Prince_Rupert wrote:
MajesterX wrote:
Prince_Rupert wrote:
Lifeson: first and fifth, first and fifth, over and over and over. . . kind of boring. Fun to listen to sometimes, but it doesn't inspire me.
Definitely Generator. I loooove those droogs. |
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HAHA, I'm not saying he's better. I just think the composition as a whole is more versatile and less typical.
In Rush the guitar is so present, and it always sounds like a lot of chords (mostly "bar" chords) taken directly out of a begining music theory book. I just don't get it.
I like 2112 and some others. But there has never been any rush music that really blew my mind. VDGG does. |
Again, what is this "bar" chord you mention. Is this a clue that you should probably read a beginning music theory book ?  Or that you are just a "beginning music theory" kinda of guy ? Answer - Barre chord. And Lifeson plays third, Peart is the pitcher, with Geddy at first. First & Fifth is an over simplification. Please take that second guitar lesson soon 
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Fassbinder
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Posted: March 11 2007 at 09:29 |
Strictly speaking, I don't have too much rights to compare these two groups. I don't own any Rush album and hever heard any Rush album in its entirety. I only heard the current set of samples presented here in PA and the previous one. That's all.
However, I can say that these sample tracks made an impression on me. It expresses in the fact that I have no wishes to explore the music of Rush more (for the moment, at least).
That said, I think this group has absolutely no chances against Van der Graaf Generator for me, since Van der Graaf Generator is my favourite group.
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Spacemac
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Posted: March 11 2007 at 18:03 |
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Arrrghus
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Posted: March 11 2007 at 18:07 |
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VdGG is more innovative and interesting. Also, their songs are varied. Most Rush songs sound the same. Who cares if Rush has better musicians? I want better music.
I like Rush, but VdGG wins this by a long shot.
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Posted: March 11 2007 at 18:12 |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: March 11 2007 at 18:29 |
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Van der Graaf Generator.
As Friede says, Rush are overrated. Only two of their albums appear to full-on prog too.
VdGG have never made a bad album. I don't know Rush well enough, but from what I've heard, I just don't like them. Geddy's voice is too much for me and even compositionally, they seem bland.
And who says VdGG aren't as great musicians? Jaxon's sax playing is amazing, Banton's playing is subtle and not at all bombastic, Evans' drumming is also subtle and exceptionally played and as for Hammill, it's not just his lyrics and vocals. Listen to him play piano and try and tell me he cannot play it well! His guitar playing isn't fantastic, true, but then again, it's unique and he's greatly improved in that field since his early days. He's not bad on the acoustic either.
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Posted: March 11 2007 at 22:26 |
Geck0 wrote:
Van der Graaf Generator.
As Friede says, Rush are overrated. Only two of their albums appear to full-on prog too.
VdGG have never made a bad album. I don't know Rush well enough, but from what I've heard, I just don't like them. Geddy's voice is too much for me and even compositionally, they seem bland.
And who says VdGG aren't as great musicians? Jaxon's sax playing is amazing, Banton's playing is subtle and not at all bombastic, Evans' drumming is also subtle and exceptionally played and as for Hammill, it's not just his lyrics and vocals. Listen to him play piano and try and tell me he cannot play it well! His guitar playing isn't fantastic, true, but then again, it's unique and he's greatly improved in that field since his early days. He's not bad on the acoustic either.
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Er, um, aaaahhh, I hate to throw popular acclaim in people's faces, but VDGG are not in the same league as Rush . You may want to visit a prog lounge thread that discusses such lofty concepts as to whether Rush are & were or weren't always prog. Hammill's lyrics are oft mentioned as being "deep". Please extend a courtesy & listen to to some of the "poppier" Rush albums of the 80s (which I am not a fan of, but read on for the point). The lyrical depth is still there, & while the words may be more direct, it should not for lack of obscurantist tendencies that they be considered simplistic. I presently have 4 VDGG albums. So far, after 2-3 listens each, I am still getting into them. I haven't picked up anything special, & for some reason, some melodic & compositional ideas seem to "pop" on more than one album (World Record, Pawn Hearts, H to he, Godbluff). But as they're highly thought of amongst this PA community, I'm still giving them a listen, who knows, I might be missing something. Y'all give me that same impression when you say that the samples or songs you've heard from Rush sound the same or uninteresting. May I ask if this is based on a few tunes, given that Rush has a 35 year career to cover, almost matching VDGG. So, you may want to give different albums/periods before making a blanket assessment. Then to keep it simple, give your opinion - like or no like. But using terms such as "overrated" may lead one to conclude that you have "objective" proof that others, who may outnumber your pack, might find to better fit your hero(s). 
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: March 11 2007 at 22:38 |
I am sure my friend BaldFriede has heard her fair share of Rush and I am also sure she's very objective when it comes to saying they're "overrated". As for me, I've heard just the two albums (A Farewell to Kings and Hemispheres) and even the instrumental La Villa Strangiato (which isn't that bad), didn't do much for me. I do not like Geddy's voice, but I'm not going to use that as an argument. I'm not denying they're great musicians (I didn't say they weren't and neither did I say the members' of VdGG are better, so do read my post properly before saying your piece), who can make good music (I'd rather listen to Rush than E.L.P. and late-era Genesis). I'm also not denying that Peart's lyrics are horrible. I'm just saying that I don't especially care for their music and that they're overrated musically, not talent-wise. And yes, VdGG do have some pop tendencies, I'm not denying that. Most prog albums of the '70s had some pop-leanings. However, VdGG were unique. Hammill's vocal style and his lyrics were completely different (and still are), to anyone else. I can accept they're not to everyone's liking, that's fine. I just believe they have more musical talent than Rush. It's not all about soloing and silly high voices.
Edited by Geck0 - March 12 2007 at 03:44
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pero
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Posted: March 12 2007 at 03:38 |
BaldFriede wrote:
proggy wrote:
Rush. Not Even Close.......VDGG is Highly Overrated.......... |
Just the other way round for me. Rush are highly overrated.
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