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Christine
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Malve87
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 09:05 |
Rush. They are one of my favourite bands.
VDGG.....are ok, but only ok.
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Philéas
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 09:51 |
Van der Graaf Generator. I like Rush a lot, but not as much as VdGG.
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Mlaen
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 10:19 |
VDGG for me.
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Norbert
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 13:32 |
Rush is a very good band without a shadow of doubt, but their music is rather conventional for a prog. rock band.They are not really a match for the ones like Yes, KC, Genesis,
Gentle Giant.
Van der Graaf Generator is a truly unique, visionary, daring and boundary pushing band, with incredible emotional intensity and truly great lyrics. They easily get my vote, they are one of the real icons of prog.
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seamus
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 14:27 |
VDGG
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Man Erg
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 14:32 |
VdGG
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Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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bucka001
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 15:01 |
I don't get the comparison. VdGG is a British group that came up in the late 60's and belongs with the classic grouping of King Crimson, Genesis, and Yes (at least in a regional, time-frame sort of way). Rush came much later and are Canadian. So, I can see comparing Rush to FM, and VdGG to Genesis, but not Rush to VdGG.
Except that you like the music of both, so that makes it fair game!
VdGG is far more exploratory and cutting edge. They're just on a different level than Rush (Rush are more 'high school' in my eyes, whereas VdGG is grad school... I mean, do you think a snobby magazine like The Wire is ever going to do an 8-pager on Rush? [Hammill/VdGG has a nice feature in the recent issue]). On the other hand, for exactly those reasons, Rush outsells VdGG probably by about 500 to 1...
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Moogtron III
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 15:25 |
bucka001 wrote:
I don't get the comparison. VdGG is a British group that came up in the late 60's and belongs with the classic grouping of King Crimson, Genesis, and Yes (at least in a regional, time-frame sort of way). Rush came much later and are Canadian. So, I can see comparing Rush to FM, and VdGG to Genesis, but not Rush to VdGG...
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I suppose they both make a lot of noise, so that's some comparison
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bucka001
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 15:33 |
Moogtron III wrote:
I suppose they both make a lot of noise, so that's some comparison |
Yeah, fair enough :-)
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Nash
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 15:35 |
Van der graaf generator, no doubt about it, its a spectacular band, farely better than Rush in every aspect
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Prince_Rupert
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 18:05 |
Lifeson: first and fifth, first and fifth, over and over and over. . . kind of boring. Fun to listen to sometimes, but it doesn't inspire me.
Definitely Generator. I loooove those droogs.
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chessman
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 18:24 |
Rush are one of my top five bands. 'Nuff said!
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thellama73
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 19:23 |
I prefer Rush, but VDGG is also amazing. On the whole, though, I think they are less consistant than Rush.
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enteredwinter
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 20:02 |
Rush. I respect VDGG, but I just never want to listen to their music. On the other hand, I could listen to the 2112 -> Permanent Waves series of albums all day happily.
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Minimalist777
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 21:14 |
VDGG, Rush is a great band, dont get me wrong but I feel that they sometimes succumb to juvenille hard rock cliches makng VDGG better imo.
On a random side note, what are those album covers in your signatue Man-Erg?
Edited by Minimalist777 - March 09 2007 at 21:15
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 21:28 |
I'm still trying to get into VDGG. I have Pawn Hearts, World Record, H to He Who Am the Only One, & the Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other. I've listened to them about 2-3 times each, & take no offense, but so far I seem to recall some melodic & compositional repetition among the songs. So I've yet to see what all the fuss is about. Rush, on the other hand, I love. I saw one posts saying they are/were more conventional than VDGG. Strange, when Rush first hit big (75 - 78), I don't remember too many other bands playing this sort of more complex heavy music, with lyrics that strayed far from your "blooze" & "boogie" stereotypes in your average hard rock band. So for me, Rush Rush Rush. Their first 8 studio albums were a seminal part of the emergence of Prog Metal in the late 80s.
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cuncuna
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 21:31 |
pantacruelgruel wrote:
I'm still trying to get into VDGG. I have Pawn Hearts, World Record, H to He Who Am the Only One, & the Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other. I've listened to them about 2-3 times each, & take no offense, but so far I seem to recall some melodic & compositional repetition among the songs. So I've yet to see what all the fuss is about. Rush, on the other hand, I love. I saw one posts saying they are/were more conventional than VDGG. Strange, when Rush first hit big (75 - 78), I don't remember too many other bands playing this sort of more complex heavy music, with lyrics that strayed far from your "blooze" & "boogie" stereotypes in your average hard rock band. So for me, Rush Rush Rush. Their first 8 studio albums were a seminal part of the emergence of Prog Metal in the late 80s.
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You'll find melodic and compositional repetition in 99% of all the bands in the whole world and in all genres. And in Ruch, off course, band wich is ok, but not even vaguely close to the artistry level of Van der Graaf Generator.
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 21:47 |
cuncuna wrote:
pantacruelgruel wrote:
I'm still trying to get into VDGG. I have Pawn Hearts, World Record, H to He Who Am the Only One, & the Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other. I've listened to them about 2-3 times each, & take no offense, but so far I seem to recall some melodic & compositional repetition among the songs. So I've yet to see what all the fuss is about. Rush, on the other hand, I love. I saw one posts saying they are/were more conventional than VDGG. Strange, when Rush first hit big (75 - 78), I don't remember too many other bands playing this sort of more complex heavy music, with lyrics that strayed far from your "blooze" & "boogie" stereotypes in your average hard rock band. So for me, Rush Rush Rush. Their first 8 studio albums were a seminal part of the emergence of Prog Metal in the late 80s.
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You'll find melodic and compositional repetition in 99% of all the bands in the whole world and in all genres. And in Ruch, off course, band wich is ok, but not even vaguely close to the artistry level of Van der Graaf Generator. |
And how do we determine "artistry level" ? Has VDGG ever appeared in a Trailer Park Boys' episode ? Has Peter Hamill ever showed an American cop what's what ? Have any musician subsects (in this case drummers, er, percussionists) gone apes**t over a VDGG musician such as the Peartians ( I love his drumming too, but he's one of many among the best, not necessarily THE best) ? I say NAY! My horse says NEIGH, but now I have to go away, as my Sleigh is all revved up & ready to go (dashing thru the snow, to the beer store we go ho ho ho)  Does anyone remember me comparing Hammill's vocals to early period Rob Halford (Judas Priest) ? Except for Rob's screeches ...
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