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Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

Absolutely not. IMHO, it was the first album to break free of psychedelia and stands as the first concrete prog album, though the Moody Blues, Floyd, The Doors, and latter day Beatles all gave prog a head start. Also, the music, though not flawless, is some of the most thought-provoking instrumentality I've ever heard. Normally, lyrics win me over, but the genius displayed here cannot be denied.



I would say that most people would say that calling it the first prog album is a bunch of bunk.....  check any of the 20 threads that probably exist related to that topic....
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     I guess it didn't age very well. It must have been mindblowing in those days. I vote "yes".
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Yeah, I think it is. I liked the album just fine, but I don't think it's one of the greatest albums of all time.
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I think it overrated, but only in comparison to other prog meisterpices. It's conjecture on my part, but I wonder if its' placing isn't boosted by it being one of the first major prog releases.
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Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2007 at 20:44
Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Originally posted by mickstafa mickstafa wrote:

Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

I don't get all the Moonchild hating going on here. I love that track and can listen to the noodling all the time. Its one of the reasonsI like the King Crimson albums I have (Red, Larks' Tongues In Aspic, ITCOTCK). I love the noodling!


Improv is good, but I don't hold Moonchild at all in the same vein as Red or LTiA. It is far too simplistic. I really, really am amazed there is not more moonchild hating going on. I know each person has their own tastes (yadda yadda) but I really don't see how many people can like this track.  Is there a poll on the relevance of moonchild? Wink

Moonchild always gets the skip button after the wonderful 2.5 minute (or so) intro.


I made a poll abut Moonchild. Don't know how relevant it is though. I think KC did a gutsy thing by recording an improv. I mean a few bands do that in the studio and come out with a song but KC just recorded the noodling part. Very interesting and probably unheard of at the time.


I like Moonchild. I think it does go on a bit longer than neccesary, but I really feel like I need some of that empty space to rest after the intensity of 21st Century Schizoid Man and Epitaph, and before gthe intensity of the title track.
Not at all an overrated album.
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21st Century Schizoid Man is awesome, the next few songs are so boring I can barely remember their names, and In the Court of the Crimson sounds really cool for a bit until it dawns on you that the whole songs is ten minutes of the same verse-chorus.  King Crimson always managed to be nearly coma inducing while still having enough cool songs for everyone to call the coma songs "experimental."
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It's overrated because fully 1/3 of the album consists of Moonchild's noodling, plus I Talk to the Wind, which just sounds far too dated nowadays. Like groovy man - not anymore! Tongue

But it's still a pretty good album overall though, maybe 3.5*.  21st Century Schizoid man kicks.
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if it were rated 5.1 it would be overrated because the scale is out of 5.
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No. Red and Larks Tounges are far more overrated.
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I think it is.
 In Britian Family, Traffic, Moody Blues and the Nice were already creating prog b4 it, while in Germany Amon Duul II had already made their mark while Can made Monster Movie at the same time as ITCOTCK. Frank Zappa had also already made a name for himself. While Miles Davis and Johyn Coltrane had gone weird on traditionakl jazz fans.I think ITCOTCK was significant for Symphonic prog but not all prog, and it certainly wasn't the first prog album


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AH! AH! AH! NO!!!!!!!!!
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Points: 138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 10:56

not overrated, not at all. But in the sense of prog, there are alot of better albums

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Points: 73 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 14:09
I don't think that it can be discredited for its simplicity.  It really isn't all that simple.  Some sections are, but simplicity is removed from quality.
 
I think it is a masterpiece.  It is still relevant more than thirty years after it was made, particularly 21st century schizoid man.
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Points: 18292 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 14:12

Hell no!

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Points: 7374 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 16:17
Hell no! 
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Points: 613 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 18:08

I was thinking when I clicked this thread hopefully there's an option 'HELL no'.

Luckily there was.
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Points: 184 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 18:10
It's overrated like most KC albums
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Points: 10616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 19:01
Not overrated IMHO. I think it has some of the best music ever made. I like all the songs. The atmosphere, the great compositions, Lake's singing and sometimes fantastic lyrics, Michael Giles' drumming (MG is one of the best drummers that I know), the mellotrons, the creativity, so many facets on one album. No, I think that it is an album which is not easily overrated.
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Points: 1991 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 19:12
I think it's time for a time warp... get in the machine and travel back to 1968.. listen to them perform live and the listen to ITCOTCK... is it overrated?? people seem to forget the impact this album made.. sure Moody Blues already had a mellotron and there were psychedelic bands around... but ITCOTKC was arguably one of the first fully-blown symphonic prog albums
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