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SoundsofSeasons
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 08 2007 Location: Arizona -- USA Status: Offline Points: 221 |
Topic: Rush - Progressive Rock? Posted: August 02 2007 at 19:50 |
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If Rush isn't prog, exactly what is it? Surely you can't say they are mainstream or Pop/Rock just because of Vapor Trails? Look at Snakes and Arrows, it's not that mainstream considering it has 3 instrumentals, and songs like spindrift. Rush is a strange breed, but we love em that way. Don't sell them short by taking them out of a category they've worked hard to put themselves in.
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1 Chronicles 13:7-9
Then David and all Israel played music before God with all their might, with singing, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on cymbals, and with trumpets. |
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verslibre
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 17182 |
Posted: March 15 2007 at 01:58 | ||||
Rush prog? Of course! '70s Rush is the prog-metal prototype (others say Deep Purple/ Rainbow).
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StyLaZyn
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
Posted: March 08 2007 at 08:41 | ||||
Point taken. But were you progressive rock before pop? (Like Genesis?)
Some might say that is regression!
Or, if the punk style is difficult to play, and it challenges your abilities, and takes you into a new music writing style, you could be viewed as progressive, but not in the traditional progressive rock vein. Of course, punk isn't really rock, or is it? Nor is pop.
Whats this ambient progressive trance stuff anyway?
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Sasquamo
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 26 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 828 |
Posted: March 08 2007 at 08:02 | ||||
If I progress my musical style from pop to punk does that make me progressive rock?
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Raff
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Posted: March 08 2007 at 04:01 | ||||
Well, everyone should know by now I'm a big Rush fan (my nickname has nothing to do with the recently released movie, and everything with the legendary trio from Toronto), though if you look at my reviews you'll see I'm perfectly capable of being objective.
However, I'd like to say just one thing to those who doubt Rush's progressiveness - are latter-day Porcupine Tree (a great band, and one I enjoy quite a lot), in spite of their longer tracks, so much proggier than Rush in terms of song structure? Do the fantasy-or sci-fi-related lyrical content or the length of the songs really make a band prog, rather than the approach to composition and the ability to reinvent themselves, to incorporate diverse influences into their music and reinterpret them, to never play it safe? Rush took a big risk with "Vapor Trails", and I think they should be respected for that - much more than those bands who don't seem to be able to do anything but endlessly reproduce their one successful album, or even imitate music that was authentically progressive 30 years ago. Waiting for Rush to release "Hemispheres #2" is, in my humble opinion, not only unrealistic, but not very flattering to the band and their unique outlook on music. |
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martinprog77
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Posted: March 08 2007 at 03:38 | ||||
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progismylife
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 19 2006 Location: ibreathehelium Status: Offline Points: 15535 |
Posted: March 07 2007 at 17:39 | ||||
If you are interested I can try and make my blog a team blog to add similar stuff (doesn't have to be Rush related at all).
http://masterliness.blogspot.com/ PM me if interested. And good points salmacis |
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StyLaZyn
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
Posted: March 07 2007 at 17:38 | ||||
One thing to mention, it is my understanding that Rush, once writing Prog, continued to create "theme" albums, that is until Test For Echo. I remember this point being made about the band at the time of Counterparts, whose theme is obvious. So while the individual songs on an album may have different flavors, most noticeably on P/G, there was a common denominator. In this fashion, it is AOR with a Prog element.
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chopper
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20030 |
Posted: March 07 2007 at 17:38 | ||||
As far as I'm concerned, there's never been any doubt that Rush are a progressive rock band. They have the long songs, the fantasy songs, the concept albums, the technical stuff. It's pretty straightforward to me. It's just a question of genre.
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salmacis
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 17:26 | ||||
A good summary, yes, well done. I must admit though, their late 80s and early 90s period is a problematic one for me- I'll offer my two cents.... I personally don't feel they 'sold out'- the music was perhaps more streamlined in some respects but lyrically, if anything, the band improved and didn't go down the bland ballad route- I think 'In Too Deep'(which is a guilty pleasure for me- it's soppy and AOR but I don't turn it off) and 'Invisible Touch' (which isn't...) by Genesis when I think of a prog band getting commercial- accessibility at all costs, little depth (imho of course). I don't even feel Yes went down the swanee marked 'commercial' in the same manner.
Certainly Signals is as good an album as most earlier ones- I think Losing It is one of the most mesmerising and proggiest things the band have ever recorded, for example, and Subdivisions is an all time favourite.
However, Grace Under Pressure is a bit patchy, to say the least. I love Distant Early Warning, Red Sector A and Between The Wheels, but the rest ranges from OK- Afterimage- to average- Kid Gloves- to awful, imho, with The Body Electric and especially Red Lenses (sounds like The Human League or one of those synth-pop new wave acts to my ears!). They seem to be unsure of the direction here, imo.
I feel that Power Windows is a big return to form. The production is very 80s and as such, sounds a little dated, but some of my favourite Rush tracks are there- The Big Money and Marathon, which is right up there in my favourites- especially, and even the weaker ones- Middletown Dreams and Emotion Detector- would probably be better than most of what was on the previous album. One of the stronger albums I've heard from a prog band in the 80s- ignore my lukewarm review as I've totally re-evaluated this one over the past few months.
It's with Hold Your Fire they lose me. This was the first Rush album I ever owned and it was definitely the worst introduction I could have had (the second album I bought, Caress Of Steel, was no improvement, imo). I personally feel Prime Mover and especially Time Stand Still are the nearest the band got to AOR, and I just feel indifferent to most of the material on it, I'm afraid. Probably my least favourite, to be honest.
Presto, despite dispensing with the excess of synths, is little better. So much unmemorable material, imho- only The Pass, um, passes muster for me. Geddy Lee has rightly criticised the clinical, bloodless production. This is another album I feel blights the perception of their later work being progressive rock, the tunes are fairly standard rock tunes for the most part.
Roll The Bones is a slight improvement, with Dreamline being the best song I've heard from them since Mystic Rhythms, but again it tails off around the middle and I lose interest- a touch of sameness creeps in, IMHO.
Counterparts I rate highly, though. The most diverse yet consistently excellent album I heard of theirs since Power Windows. The production is gutsier, with far less emphasis on synths and the compositions are tougher sounding. I'm not sure if this is a prog effort, but it's a very good album nevertheless.
Must admit, I never bought Test For Echo due to the poor reviews, but Vapor Trails I did have. I felt it was better than its reputation suggested, but again, this is not a prog album, imho. The compositions are arguably musically the most straight forward the band had done since their heavy rock debut, imho. The songs were often pretty strong- Earthshine and Secret Touch I liked, especially- but I feel personally, greater variety was necessary. Again though, not a sell out because this isn't pop material- as I hinted earlier, a lot of the time my personal perception of a sell out is a lyrical one as much as a musical one. And the lyrics have always prevented Rush from that category, imo.
For their next album, I'm obviously not expecting AFTK/Moving Pictures style music, but what I would like is greater compositional variety and obviously, a production which is less heavy going on the ears, allowing the music the space to breathe.
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progismylife
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 19 2006 Location: ibreathehelium Status: Offline Points: 15535 |
Posted: March 07 2007 at 17:22 | ||||
Good points StyLaZyn and I can't wait to read the thread!
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StyLaZyn
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
Posted: March 07 2007 at 17:13 | ||||
While I wouldn't mind something as Prog as AFTK or Hemi, I am not holding my breath. I know enough about the band that if they do any reverting, it is in thier sound, not their writing style. They have in the past tried to move forward into new areas, but never leave their abilities in the shadows. In this way, they are innovative to themselves, finding new ideas within. They progress in this fashion. I will start a new thread tomorrow based on something that occured to me today while listening to Vapor Trails.
For the new record, expect them to be songwriters to satisfy themselves musically.
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progismylife
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 19 2006 Location: ibreathehelium Status: Offline Points: 15535 |
Posted: March 07 2007 at 17:06 | ||||
Erik you can call me Ben instead of progismylife (if you want to) and I hope the new album is like A Farewell to Kings too but also innovative, I would not like it if they just continued with one style and stayed that way.
Edited by progismylife - March 07 2007 at 17:06 |
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: March 07 2007 at 17:01 | ||||
Well Progismylife, Rush is one of my favorite bands (since I bought the just released A Farewell To Kings in 1977) but from the album Presto I stopped buying Rush records because their music failed to keep my attention, in my opinion they turned from heavy progressive and symphonic prog to an innovative rock band, always trying to sound really progressive but not really my cup of tea. I have done my best to appreciate their work after Presto but unfortunately I am still waiting for an album on the level of Farewell To Kings or Moving Pictures, perhaps the new Rush album will delight me?
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Ricochet
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 16:28 | ||||
I myself would have waited an astonishing essay on how Rush would actually not be progressive rock (or art rock, haha to micky) at all.
otherwise nicely said. |
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Melomaniac
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4088 |
Posted: March 07 2007 at 16:24 | ||||
Nice work Ben !
Rush has had such an amazing career so far one could write a thesis on the band's evolution throughout the years.
Still my favorite band after all this time !
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StyLaZyn
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
Posted: March 07 2007 at 16:20 | ||||
Good job. Nice read.
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micky
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 16:15 | ||||
hahah.. not the subject.. the topic you knucklehead |
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progismylife
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 16:14 | ||||
Lose interest? Me and lose interest in Rush? But some good suggestions here and I'm working on one right now but I'll wait a while before I post it to make sure it works. |
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micky
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 16:13 | ||||
you're not missing anything hahhahaha (3 posts is my limit without saying something about Rush ) Talk with Tony and Raff as well.... they might have some good ideas as well. That is a topic I find interesting.. but remember.. you should as well or you'll lose interest. Personal experience speaking there from real life. |
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