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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2007 at 14:45
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Zardoz totally sucks IMO.

That doesn't surprise me at all. Wink
 
I see the wink that indicates you are joking, but are you suggesting I do not have the intelligence to watch more "serious" films.....e.g. non action films?

Not at all; you just have a different taste. But for me all that action is usually plain boring. I can take some action in measured doses, but I want a good plot too. And I have a taste for the weird and unusual, which many don't share. But who am I to judge your intelligence?
 
Now this is the place to talk about this... Not the Star Wars thread  
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2007 at 03:41
The Star Wars movies are fine, if you want popcorn entertainment; just updates of the old 'peasants against the evil king' stories... Don't get me wrong, I can happily enjoy schlock like that, but if I had to choose favorites:

Event Horizon (I know, I know - so sue me! )
Dark Star (I want a beach ball alien)
2001 (although I think my home PC is Hal )

But if I had to choose an absolute favorite from the genre (and I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet), it has to be Silent Running:



Made on a low budget in 1972, with effectively a single character (Bruce Dern) - fantastic movie & a serious contender for the best eco-movie of all time.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2007 at 04:19
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

The Star Wars movies are fine, if you want popcorn entertainment; just updates of the old 'peasants against the evil king' stories... Don't get me wrong, I can happily enjoy schlock like that, but if I had to choose favorites:

Event Horizon (I know, I know - so sue me! )
Dark Star (I want a beach ball alien)
2001 (although I think my home PC is Hal )

But if I had to choose an absolute favorite from the genre (and I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet), it has to be Silent Running:



Made on a low budget in 1972, with effectively a single character (Bruce Dern) - fantastic movie & a serious contender for the best eco-movie of all time.

I mentioned it in another thread, Jim. Great movie indeed!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2007 at 04:21
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

...A very strange movie is "Zardoz", featuring Sean Connery and Charlotte Rampling (who is one of my favourite actresses, by the way). Sean Connery runs around in what looks like a red diaper, with two strips of ammo across his chest. The most memorable line of the movie is the unforgettable "the gun is good, the penis is evil". The story is totally weird; I won't even try to give a summary.


i like dystopian sci-fi the most -- from black comedies like Brazil to strange films like Zardoz..  I have frequented various SF boards, and have something of a reputation as a Zardoz freak.

Here's a silly blurb I wrote at one board for the movie (I'll avoid important spoilers, though you may get some diaper soilers).

Zardoz speakz to you, hiz chozen onez!



A really big, toothy, and freaky stone head magnificently soars through the azure sky. A group of men in red diapers (Exterminators) rush to meet it. Wearing masks with the same visage as the stone head, they gather worshipfully before the stone-head which gracefully lands. With a booming voice it addresses the Exterminators, "The gun is good. The penis is evil. The penis shoots seeds, and makes new life, and poisons the earth with a plague of men, as o­nce it was. But the gun shoots death, and purifies the earth. Now go forth and kill." The stone head, which is the Exterminator's God, Zardoz, spews forth guns which they greedily lap up.

The Exterminator Zed (Sean Connery like you’ve never seen him before) secretly enters the head which is the o­nly path into the Vortex – a land of immortals (the Eternals) with big mental powers and scanty clothing.

He has worked in the service of Zardoz, cleansing the Earth of Brutals (the masses outside the Vortex) but has learned that it was all based o­n a lie and seeks revenge! But while Zed resents the underhanded manipulation by the immortal denizens of the Vortex, who was manipulating the Eternals? And to what ends?

"We’ve all been used!"
"And re-used."
"And abused!"
"And amused."
"Hahahaha blech uhgah."

It seems that Zardoz, by director John Boorman who went o­n to make Excalibur, is a love it or hate it film – truly weird, truly different, and I think, truly wonderful. The final scenes are incredibly moving and powerful.

It’s a very surreal, satirical, sometimes disturbing, sometimes just plain bad, but ultimately poignant film. If fear of seeing Sean Connery in a bright red diaper AND a wedding dress doesn’t deter you, be warned, there are lots of topless females frolicking about, and a depraved orgy scene with seniors involved.

Scene to look out for: Super-human Zed punches through some saran wrap whilst incredfulous bystanders exclaim, "It can’t be done, it’s impossible."


Here's a screengrab from that scene:



I can understand people not wanting to watch it... To quote one character, "Yes, bit frightening isn't it?" It has very disturbing scenes, and Brutality...

On the bright side, it features Connery in a wedding dress...



Here's the trailer: http://moviefilmfest.com/html/Zardoz_MGM_DVD.htm and it's maybe even weirder than the film itself.

Zed


As for the DVD.., I own the Sony DVD version of Zardoz  (Criterion is best).

Also love City of Lost Children, The Omega Man, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Stalker, Alphaville, and many more.

Oh, and I have a big thing for the old Planet of the Apes series of movies.


Edited by Logan - March 02 2007 at 04:25
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2007 at 09:54
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

The Star Wars movies are fine, if you want popcorn entertainment; just updates of the old 'peasants against the evil king' stories... Don't get me wrong, I can happily enjoy schlock like that, but if I had to choose favorites:

Event Horizon (I know, I know - so sue me! )
Dark Star (I want a beach ball alien)
2001 (although I think my home PC is Hal )

But if I had to choose an absolute favorite from the genre (and I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet), it has to be Silent Running:



Made on a low budget in 1972, with effectively a single character (Bruce Dern) - fantastic movie & a serious contender for the best eco-movie of all time.


I almost forgot about that one. I remember watching that when I was a kid. Great movie. You actually began to care for those little robots.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2007 at 10:10
Blade Runner and The Thing are probably my favourite Sci-Fi films.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2007 at 11:27
I missed Videodrome the other week, but I did see it when I was a teenager, but I've forgotten a lot of it.  Quite a freaky film, if I remember correctly.

And yes, Brazil is great, I was surprised at how good it was, because I'd seen The Fisher King previously and didn't really think it was that great.  I fell asleep through 12 Monkeys, but that's not because I wasn't enjoying it, I was tired!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2007 at 12:32
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I missed Videodrome the other week, but I did see it when I was a teenager, but I've forgotten a lot of it....

I fell asleep through 12 Monkeys, but that's not because I wasn't enjoying it, I was tired!


Videodrome - didn't enjoy it at all; thought it was trying too hard to be 'out there' and 'extreme'; but, then again, from that director, what can you expect? Not a fan.

Strange you say that about 12 monkeys - that has happened to me every time I've tried to watch it; again, not because I wasn't enjoying it, but just through tiredness...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2007 at 12:34
It doesn't help that I'm not the biggest fan of Bruce Willis, I just can't take him seriously.

As I said, I saw Videodrome when I was in my teens and cannot remember it completely.  Not a Cronenberg fan then?

I also fell asleep through Predator (or maybe it was Predator 2). LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2007 at 11:18
How about Lars von Trier's "The Element of Crime" as one of the best dystopies ever? Not very Sci-Fi, though, but a great film.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2007 at 12:00
Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

How about Lars von Trier's "The Element of Crime" as one of the best dystopies ever? Not very Sci-Fi, though, but a great film.


That is a great film!  Interestingly enough, just yesterday I was thinking of doing a Lars von Trier poll (one of my favourite directors), and was specifically thinking about voting for that film.

Speaking of dystopian tales, has anyone mentioned Delicatessan and Soylent Green yet?  What about Metropolis?

On a different note: Wender's Until the End of the World is a fun road trip movie that could be included here.

Cronenberg has been mentioned, and I like Scanners and Videodrome muchly.  Though Dead Ringers isn't appropriate for this topic, that's my favourite movie he did by far.  I like his body horror.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2007 at 15:55
Delicatessen is one of my favourites! Smile Plenty of fiction, great script, visuals and acting, lotsa French humour, but no science.

Jeunet's previous "La cite des enfants perdus" is one of the most interesting allegorical films I've ever seen - and there's more "science" there, something like in Gilliam's "12 Monkeys".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2007 at 15:58
Originally posted by andu andu wrote:


Jeunet's previous "La cite des enfants perdus" is one of the most interesting allegorical films I've ever seen - and there's more "science" there, something like in Gilliam's "12 Monkeys".
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2007 at 16:06
Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:


Originally posted by andu andu wrote:


Jeunet's previous "La cite des enfants perdus" is one of the most interesting allegorical films I've ever seen - and there's more "science" there, something like in Gilliam's "12 Monkeys".
 
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I second that !  AMAZING MOVIE !  Remember that scene on the pier, the one I call the butterfly effect scene, when the little girl sheds a tear and we see all the effects a simple tear drop has ?  One of the most superb scenes I've seen.


No I don't... thanks for pushing me into watching it again! Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2007 at 16:51
Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

Delicatessen is one of my favourites! Smile Plenty of fiction, great script, visuals and acting, lotsa French humour, but no science.

Jeunet's previous "La cite des enfants perdus" is one of the most interesting allegorical films I've ever seen - and there's more "science" there, something like in Gilliam's "12 Monkeys".


Very true, which is why in my former post I opted to list City of Lost Children and ignored Delicatessan.  However, I had intended to mention Deli in another context rather than as a sci-fi piece.

Here's some thoughts I had on what is sci-fi at another board I have mostly left so as to concentrate on this site: CLICK
I do consider myself knowledgeable in that arena.

A topic I have discussed a great deal over the years, and I've been a bit of a thorn in people's sides as I'm something of a purist when it comes to defining (rather like many people here when trying to define Prog).

For a fun sci-fi romp (very soft sci-fi), I love Barbarella.

EDIT: Cause I left that open for a joke that I thought someone would make...

It may be a soft[core] SF romp, but it sure leaves me hard.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2007 at 23:45
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Here's the trailer: http://moviefilmfest.com/html/Zardoz_MGM_DVD.htm and it's maybe even weirder than the film itself.
Hahahaha, I have to see that movie...It looks like genius :D
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