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Poll Question: Which of these better describes Phil Collins?
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I don't really think the man is either.
 
This is the first "I Hate Phil Club" thread I've posted in, I always figured I could wait for the next one to pop up within a few days and give it a go there. Anyway, Phil was a great drummer and a great singer. I always thought Banks had something to do with the pop-sound (he always seemed the most vocal and knowledgable about it in interviews). Really, the guy's just a musician. He wrote some pop ballads in what used to be a prog-band! Obviously he's the incarnation of Lucifer, right?
 
To tell the truth, in one of the medleys from the 80s he puts in a chilling performance on "Apocalypse In 9/8" & "As Sure As Eggs Is Eggs". One of the most powerful I've heard! Phil Collins is a bloke who makes music. He seems nice to me.
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Phil is not completely one or the other. His work with Brand X and in Gabriel-fronted Genesis shut me up at a time when I was only familiar with his atrocious pioneering of adult contemporary. He is a great drummer, but he's turned away from his true skill (he even uses drum machines on his solo albums) to write generally banal lyrics. Still, you gotta laugh when you find out he's right up there with James Brown in terms of popularity with rappers.
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Points: 7910 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2007 at 19:43
Originally posted by Psychedelia Psychedelia wrote:

I vote for the clueless oaf option. Whats all this rubbish about not being able to criticise music and musicians? Music is made for people to enjoy by your logic the only people able to comment on music should be the musical elite which is not on at all.



Normally I say 'go for it'; but, Collins gets railed against CONSTANTLY around here. I think we've got better things to do and to talk about. Don't you?

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Points: 8844 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2007 at 18:44
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

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Originally posted by jalas jalas wrote:

Well he doesn't seem very evil.  He seems like a nice guy to me.  Genious is kind of an overstatement judging by later Genesis music.  Other than that, he seems clueless to the fact that there are many fans who want to see the old Genesis come back.


Genius is an overstatement? Confused

He came up with some great pop songs. That is genius to me. Making pop sound good.
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Originally posted by The Whistler The Whistler wrote:

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Uh, sorry, my hand slipped...
 
Oh, I mean no offense (well, sorta). Gotta admit, I did kinda like the Tarzan stuff. Wasn't too fond of the pop solo stuff, but ya know, my cuppa tea, what-what. My problem is more with Phil and his general attitude...which was, all yea stone-cast-innotators, the purpose of the poll. Assuming you bothered to read the first post,  which I doubt.
 
Well, I bothered to read. But maybe I got a little bit off your question and more into the general Collins-bashing I was reading.... Not against the poll itself,but about what the poll turned into (as every PC poll....). If you're going to start a poll about Phil Collins, even if you ask "do you think he's a drummer?", even if you ask that it will degenrate into a bashing-thread, so don't be so shocked because I wandered off topic to replicate other off-topic posts.
 
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To be honest threads like this undermine the credibility of this great site. But hey everyone wants to be on their soapbox.
 
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Originally posted by Psychedelia Psychedelia wrote:

I vote for the clueless oaf option. Whats all this rubbish about not being able to criticise music and musicians? Music is made for people to enjoy by your logic the only people able to comment on music should be the musical elite which is not on at all.

 
No once said don't criticise musicians, but the criticism should be constructive, not just insults and name calling.
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Well he doesn't seem very evil.  He seems like a nice guy to me.  Genious is kind of an overstatement judging by later Genesis music.  Other than that, he seems clueless to the fact that there are many fans who want to see the old Genesis come back.

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I vote for the clueless oaf option. Whats all this rubbish about not being able to criticise music and musicians? Music is made for people to enjoy by your logic the only people able to comment on music should be the musical elite which is not on at all.

Another emotional suicide, overdosed on sentiment and pride
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I also agree with the opinion that Phil Collins its only a good drumer, just that

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again: PHILL COLLINS is one of the best musicians of the rock/pop scene. Outstandingly talented drummer, singer, composer and performer.
And as all the artists he has the right to do what he likes. Frankly, i like his popy songs very very much.
Long live Phil
 
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He is also responsible for Bowies "Tin machine", his worst period.
 
I don't like his composing and as a drummer, there is a lot of better drummers available.
 
Brand X are ok, but in fusion standards nothing new.
 
 
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Collins did some fantastic stuff at first stepping into Gabriel's shoes splendidly, then setting up Brand X - one of my very favourite bands - then he carried on by ruining both... His solo albums contain the odd piece of interesting bit, whilst his contribution to Camel's, or more like Latimer's output on  "I can see your house..." has delivered the worst Camel album ever.
 
I don't see Collins as a great drummer, he is trying too hard, but generally he is a great composer, singer, entertainer whilst having the courage to remain "cockney" as...
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Looks like Phil's mother has joined the threadTongue
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