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Peter
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Posted: May 23 2004 at 18:52 |
Interesting thread! Good one, Phillippe! Edited by Peter Rideout |
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Fitzcarraldo
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Posted: June 14 2004 at 13:29 |
Well, maani, after posing the question, what is the answer you were looking for? This thread: http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/moog/index.html mentions that Moog "absorbed ideas" from Harald Bode and that he designed the first instruments in "collaboration with" the composers Herbert A. Deutsch, and Walter (later Wendy) Carlos. But that does not appear to be the answer you were looking for. So who was it?!
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philippe
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Posted: July 05 2004 at 03:45 |
The first Moog modular synth created in 1967. |
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philippe
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Posted: July 05 2004 at 03:49 |
...popularised by the music of Walter (Wendy) Carlos "Switched on Bach" (1969), many prog electronic bands as Tangerine Dream, Ashra Tempel...and art rock as ELP, Yes... |
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Avram Fawcett
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Posted: July 07 2004 at 10:56 |
I believe that The Rolling Stones used a Moog in December of 1967 on Their Satanic Majesties Request, though it may have a mellotron. Stones is believed to have been the very first album (obscure or otherwise) to ever feature a Moog. Emil Richards, who did it, was also a member of The Zodiac. They did Cosmic Sounds. Then Beaver sold a Moog to Micky Dolenz of The Monkees and it was used on Pisces, Aqaurius, Capricorn, & Jones, Ltd. Of all the groups I would have guessed brought the Moog in to mainstream, The Monkees were a surprise! |
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threefates
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Posted: July 12 2004 at 13:32 |
The Monkees did actually used a Moog on one of their albums in the last 60s. On the 1967's "Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones Ltd." - the song was "Daily, Nightly" I believe. But as I recall they also showed Micky playing it on the show... Actually later on.. on their "Instant Replay" album (without Peter Tork) Micky got very progressive with his "Shorty Blackwell" track that he wrote himself.. and on the remastered cds; you get bonus tracks that also follow in that direction. Edited by threefates |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: July 14 2004 at 12:24 |
Mellotron for sure - I remember Brian Jones doing a BBC radio interview with the rest of the Stones a week before that album was released in the UK. He was most lucid when enthusing about using this new instrument the Mellotron - he did sound in a bad state for most of the show. |
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Raelrules
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Posted: July 18 2004 at 10:36 |
I'm not sure but I think one of the firsts was a group called United States of America sometime in 67 or 68. PS concerning BOB's name, having attended an expo where he was displaying his most recent wares (in 77 if a I remember right), the pronunciation is like in "rogue". Rael Edited by Raelrules |
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maani
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Posted: July 19 2004 at 18:30 |
Fitzcarraldo et al: I'll give you another hint. A certain electronics wizard - who predates Bob Moog by at least a decade, possibly two - was toying around with the idea of creating a guitar synthesizer. However, after designing the initial schematics, he put the idea on the back burner. Years later, he met Bob Moog, who was hot on the idea of a keyboard synthesizer. This gentleman then handed Bob Moog the original schematics he had developed, and essentially told him: "Have fun!" About three years later, the protoype "Moog" synthesizer was revealed. Well? |
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Fitzcarraldo
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Posted: July 19 2004 at 22:13 |
Was it Theremin? Good Vibrations wouldn't exist without him.
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maani
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Posted: July 20 2004 at 16:37 |
Fitzcarraldo: Actually, the theremin works on a slightly different principle than a synthesizer. By the way, there was also the famous "tubon," a keyboard-like instrument developed by Kurzweil for Kraftwerk, which made a sound somewhere between a sax and a kazoo. Only a handful were ever created - and one of them is available on Ebay! The answer to my question is still wanting... Peace. |
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: July 20 2004 at 17:48 |
Leo Fender? I know he was instrumental in the echo-plex and many other gadgets. |
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maani
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Posted: July 20 2004 at 22:36 |
Danbo: Oh! Missed by one! ....? Peace. |
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Fitzcarraldo
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Posted: July 23 2004 at 16:34 |
Les Paul?
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: July 23 2004 at 16:51 |
Fruck.............that's who I meant. Crikey! Les Paul, it's gotta be.....
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Fitzcarraldo
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Posted: July 24 2004 at 11:44 |
I can't see any mention of Les Paul in the history pages of http://www.moogarchives.com, even in the Acknowledgements section of the scanned paper 'Voltage-Controlled Electronic Music Modules' that Moog wrote for the journal of the Audio Engineering Society in 1965, so I do wonder how much of a contribution Les Paul (or whoever it was) actually made.
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maani
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Posted: July 26 2004 at 13:01 |
Fitzcarraldo: Got it! Yes, although the history books don't tell it, it is the truth. Les - who invented not only multi-track recording, the sustaining solid-body electric guitar, the first disc-cutting lathe, and early echo, chorus, delay and other guitar effects (and also had a small hand in "stereo," developed by his pal, Jim Palmer) - happened upon (i.e., created) schematics for a synthesizer when Bob Moog was still in college (well, maybe grad school...) However, Les ultimately got involved in many other guitar-related projects, and put those schematics aside. When Bob first met Les in the early to mid-60s, Bob was going on about this idea he had for a keyboard that would produce multiple sounds through electronic gates and other technical effects. Les told Bob that he had come up with early designs for just such a thing, and asked Bob if he'd like to have them. A little less than three years later, the prototype Moog synthesizer was revealed. And while there is no question that Bob refined the schematics - perhaps a great deal - the original idea and initial schematics were developed by Les. I'll give you another great little-known Les Paul story. As you know, Les did all the recording of himself and Mary Ford at home, on early multi-track recording devices created and built by him. He had just finished multi-tracking Mary's parts for a song, when he was visited by a young man who had made an appointment to meet Les, just because he was a fan. (Les is one of the most "available" legends in the world.) As the young man came in, Les wanted to "show off" the new multi-tracked parts. So he turned on the tape player. However, he had accidentally set the speed from 33 to 45. When he realized this, he stopped the tape, reset the speed, and played the tape. However, the young man said, "Hey, could you play that back again the way it was the first time?" Les obliged. The young man said, "Do you mind if I use that idea?" Les told him to feel free and "have fun." The man was David Seville, and thus was born Alvin and the Chipmunks. So Les even had a hand in that! A true story... Peace. |
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ErpTheWizard
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Posted: August 18 2004 at 13:41 |
I thought this was some mention of Buchla
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philippe
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Posted: August 30 2004 at 06:27 |
What is your fav Moog syntheziser?
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