TOP 10 PROG ALBUMS OF 2006 - POLL RESULT!

 

Sorry if I offended you. I meant no offense.

 

I am sad that in this world when two people disagree we must automatically feel offended and lash out with frustration. Can't people who disagree have calm, heartfelt, in depth discussions/arguments anymore without feeling that the other is attacking them personally. Look, if you think Kayo Dot is the best band of ALL TIME, I am not offended. If you think Anglagard or PFM are the worst bands of all time, I am also not offended. Opinions themselves don't offend me or upset me.

 

My point is still not being understood I guess.  I think that it is OBVIOUS that among the collabs on this site there is a slightly unbalanced preference for RIO and Avant Garde. I am not saying that the music is rubbish or crap or any of that. It's my OPINION that a WORLD WIDE WEBSITE like this one should be more balanced among the admins as to keep the site a welcome place for ALL prog fans of ANY genre. I am personally a BIG fan of symphonic prog, neo-prog, art rock, jazz fusion and hard rock. I do however, like many RIO/avant bands such as Samla Mammas Manna, Absolute Zero, Birdsongs of the Mesozoic, Far Corner, SGM, Discus and others. I also like some Post-Rock like Explosions in the Sky, Mogwai and Ulver.

 

I realize that MANY of the collabs also enjoy a wide variety of genres of progressive music. I know that to be a fact. Still, the fact remains that for Kayo Dot to be #1 of 2006, there HAS to be more fans of post-rock than is the NORM among general prog lovers. The results of the Top 100 on this site prove as such with Kayo Dot being #40 and PFM, Hackett, Mars Volta and Tool all being in the top 10. Anglagard is #20 all-time and Kayo Dot is not even in the top 500.

 

If you look at the topics on the forums, a large percentage of them are on RIO, Post-Rock, Avant/Jazz and Prog Metal. This is, I believe, because the collabs WHO POST (I realize there are probably many admins who don't post much on the forums) are usually the most active people on the boards therefore the topics will reflect their interests. Topics regarding new symph bands or neo-prog bands or albums except for only the most popular (Flower Kings, Spock's Beard, IQ) usually get very little response. That has been my experience anyway. In my OPINION this is not healthy for a progressive rock site. That's my OPINION. If you disagree you are not upsetting me. When I got into RIO, I had tons of people to talk to here about it and received many responses. When I wanted to talk about new symph like Wobbler, Willowglass or Frogg Cafe, very few responded except for a select few. To me that's sad on a progressive rock fan site. That's my OPINION anyway.

 

I know three huge fans of progressive rock that used to post here all the time that do not anymore because they would receive few responses. I am talking about topics posted regarding modern symphonic prog/neo and art rock music which happen to be the largest genres besides prog-metal.

 

Now don't take what I have said to mean that I think we should all be talking about symph prog and ignoring post-rock or RIO. I want ALL forms of prog to flourish and be popular. I would love to see this site full of fans discussing every new and old band in all genres. At this time, for the most part, it seems a bit skewed and the fact that Kayo Dot is #1 for 2006 seems to me to confirm my thoughts.

 

I find it funny that no collab has come to defend me or agree that they believe that Kayo Dot being #1 seems a bit unusual considering the competition it had. Which doesn't disprove my thoughts that a large percent of the collabs (who post anyway) prefer post-rock/RIO over modern symphonic, neo or art rock.

 

Thanks for proving my point. Don Caballero is none other than Post-Rock. 

 

Wanna make a bet?

 

It might come down but I doubt as far as where Kayo Dot will be.

 

Have you heard or do you own any IQ?

 

 

Well, the "masterpiece" between " ".... that means I really don't think it is. And of course I'm talking about Kayo.... I wrote a review which earned me first place in hate messages ever... and I'm not e reviewer so go figure.... people that never post and never discuss in the forum came lurking from the shadows to bash me. Only because I didn't like the almighty album. So I'm agreeing with you, don't think I'm quoting you to reply but because I AGREE.

 

I don't understand this but it sounds OK. But please take into account that the discussion started when someone gave his opinion about one of the albums in the top-10 poll, so he was within topic subject. If it got off-topic is because people felt offended where no offense was done.... But it seems saying something negative about the allmighty album IS an offense.

 

Self-indulgence is bad.....

 

On the other side, third-party indulgence could be healthy...

 

Then that we'll do.

 

 

 

Whoa! Who is pissed off?   I am not nor have I ever been "pissed off" about the poll results. I have said that many times in my posts.  I am perfectly fine with the collabs choosing Kayo Dot #1. It's thier OPINIONS. That is not what I am trying to discuss. My points which I think I have made clear many times are these:

 

1. Dowsing Anemone with Copper is NOT the best album of 2006.

 

It IS the best among the opinions of the collabs on this site from all the albums that they have heard, but among ALL prog listeners there are NO facts to back up this pick as being the consensus #1 of 2006.  Clearly PFM, Tool, Hackett and other more rare albums such as from Zaar, Deluge Grander, La Maschera di Cera and Zenit are rated just as high and usually higher than Kayo Dot's new album. Sorry but that's a fact. If you (and I realize that you personally picked a different post-rock cd #1) or anyone else thinks Kayo Dot's CD is the best they have heard in 2006, you would be in the minority overall. Not among the collabs here but overall among the progressive rock community. I could site numorous references to back up my statement such as 1) this site's Top 100 list for 2006 where Kayo Dot is rated #40, 2) Rate Your Music (http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/kayo_dot/dowsing_anemone_with_copper_tongue/)  has the album rated at only 3.72/5 among over 200 ratings, 3) Dowsing Anemone with Copper is rated #17 (that''s SEVENTEEN) of the highest rated prog-metal ONLY albums for 2006 on this site (http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?style_id=19&album_type=1&year=2006) while Steve Hackett is rated number ONE for symph prog for 2006, PFM is rated number ONE for Italian prog for 2006, Mars Volta is rated number ONE for Art Rock for 2006. Kayo Dot may be #1 in consensus for the collabs but it is NOT the best album of 2006. It would be like saying Kraftwerk's album "Ralf & Florian" is the best prog album for 1973. (It ranks #40 for that year)

 

 

2) Due to my #1 point, then there HAS to be a higher than AVERAGE preference among the collabs toward post-rock.

 

The fact that you are a collab and you picked a post-rock album as best for 2006 that didn't even make the top 10 completely proved my points. Don't take that to mean that I think you are wrong for liking post-rock or voting for whoever you want. In fact, I would be interested in what you like about your #1 pick. I enjoy learning about new bands/albums.

 

My points above are logical conclusions that were reached based on statements of facts. I personally don't care much for the new Steve Hackett CD (I would rate it around a 3.5) but the facts prove that it is one of the best albums of the year. My tastes just don't agree. I am NOT saying that Kayo Dot isn't among the best in the post-rock genre for 2006 if not the best. I don't prefer that genre though I do like some bands and albums. It is not however the best album of 2006.

it IS the best for 2006 among those collabs polled however...

 

...and that is just fine with me.

 

David, Joey this is getting nowhere. Can we continue any further discussions by PM?

 

Thanks.

 

OK Tony, for you I will leave it alone.

 

I want to make it clear though that I was ON topic during most of my posts. I was discussing why I feel that the #1 pick was what it was and not something else. Others seem to be upset that I don't feel it should be the #1 pick and the reasons why but that wasn't my main point.

 

Anyway, I have made myself pretty clear I feel.

 

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Avestin -

 

Thank you for your intelligent and thoughtful post. You are a class act. I still think that post-rock and RIO is talked about on the boards a LOT more than is consistant with it's popularity. I understand what you are saying when you talk about bands like Zaar and Hamster Theatre that you bring up and don't get many responses about them. Maybe the problem is that most people generally buy the albums that are POPULAR and easily found in the local music store. There may be some people on a fixed budget that can't afford to buy or hear as many albums as we can so they try and get waht is the most popular first.

 

Believe me, there are just as many good, new symphonic prog albums that never get heard as much as they should, just like there are for post rock, RIO and other genres.   It's too bad. Because of your rave reviews on Nemo, I bought the new album and should receive it soon.