Progressive electronic? What?

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A question to anyone who might answer:

Well, one of the prog subgenres on this site is progressive electronic. Are the terms "progressive" and "electronic" redundant? at least from the 70's point of view? I mean , is there ANY artist that was doing electronic music in the seventies that can not be considered progressive or prog-related?

Of course, I'm not referring to "contemporary classical", "avanguarde", "musique concrete" composers or whatever, I'm talking about rock and/or pop related electronic musicians 1968-1979.

They were pioneers, therefore = prog?

So, if anyone has been lucky/rich enough to afford himself MiniMoog, VCS3 and Tape Echo unit back in 1973, and to do few bleeps and burps, he will immediately enter the art/space/nowadays prog hall of fame?

Don't get me wrong, I actually like electronica a lot. I would just like to clear few things out about the genre.

The same thing /only reversed/ happened 30 yrs later:

after synthpop in 80's and electronic dance music (techno rave dance trance etc) in 90's, electronica was no more necessary conceptual or artistic (but it will became eclectic in 00's again).

Are there any fresh composers/bands/musicians/DJ's that will fit into electronic progressive rock music milieu? If so, they are rare, or they are retro-freaks utilising the same sound and sequence patterns as Tangerine Dream.

The names that spring to mind are of French duet Air -they're not on PA for some reason (guilty of wrong decade?) and The Future Sound Of London, they are playing really progressive music, but it's got nothing to do with rock.

Having said that, is the term progressive electronic more timeline-reference than an actual genre? What do you think???

I can be very wrong.. Oh, boy, I actually wish that I am wrong.

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clarke2001 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 14 2006 Location: Croatia Status: Offline Points: 4160	Topic: Progressive electronic? What? Posted: January 29 2007 at 22:06
	A question to anyone who might answer: Well, one of the prog subgenres on this site is progressive electronic. Are the terms "progressive" and "electronic" redundant? at least from the 70's point of view? I mean , is there ANY artist that was doing electronic music in the seventies that can not be considered progressive or prog-related? Of course, I'm not referring to "contemporary classical", "avanguarde", "musique concrete" composers or whatever, I'm talking about rock and/or pop related electronic musicians 1968-1979. They were pioneers, therefore = prog? So, if anyone has been lucky/rich enough to afford himself MiniMoog, VCS3 and Tape Echo unit back in 1973, and to do few bleeps and burps, he will immediately enter the art/space/nowadays prog hall of fame? Don't get me wrong, I actually like electronica a lot. I would just like to clear few things out about the genre. The same thing /only reversed/ happened 30 yrs later: after synthpop in 80's and electronic dance music (techno rave dance trance etc) in 90's, electronica was no more necessary conceptual or artistic (but it will became eclectic in 00's again). Are there any fresh composers/bands/musicians/DJ's that will fit into electronic progressive rock music milieu? If so, they are rare, or they are retro-freaks utilising the same sound and sequence patterns as Tangerine Dream. The names that spring to mind are of French duet Air -they're not on PA for some reason (guilty of wrong decade?) and The Future Sound Of London, they are playing really progressive music, but it's got nothing to do with rock. Having said that, is the term progressive electronic more timeline-reference than an actual genre? What do you think??? I can be very wrong.. Oh, boy, I actually wish that I am wrong.

cuncuna Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: March 29 2005 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 4318	Posted: January 29 2007 at 22:20
	I don't know about you question, but I'll surely be checking out that "The Future Sound Of London" band. So thanks, and good luck with the endless amount of posts that is soon to come...
	¡Beware of the Bee!

Atavachron Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65681	Posted: January 29 2007 at 22:29
	Well, you're right that time has changed the definition. Heck, in the early 70s ELP may have been considered 'Electronic'. To me Progressive Electronic is prog that is almost entirely electronically produced, i.e. one or more artists using machines to create music rather that traditional acoustic or electric instruments; synths, samplers, loops, drum machines, etc. Among the earlier pioneers of synth music was Beaver and Krause, a duo that used all sorts of sounds and unusual instrumentation (including early synthesis). Ricochet could answer your question better than I. Maybe he'll see this thread...

Ricochet Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301	Posted: January 30 2007 at 01:23
	Well if there is something to concur, it is about the technical issue, which isn't rightly said. And I suspect even some wrong word play. Therefore, I do not believe that "progressive electronic" is about "the prog rock which used electronics","the prog rock which had electronics","the prog rock sensing electronics",even "the prog rock of the electronics". Instead, I think the issue concerns the electronic movement of the 70s, rich, dark, heavy, elevated, heart-felt and pioneered, inventive or decisive, firm or groundbreaking, prog. Thus "the electronic that is progressive". Adnowledging the question of "who hasn't played on an electric thingy", I do believe however that it's not the case of rock going electronic, but out of the electronic entire "synthology" something came out as a progressive movement. And big times!! Check our progressive electronic improved definition - a great work by philippe, an exciting read for anyone interested, an answer to your questions.


soundsweird Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: December 08 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 408	Posted: January 30 2007 at 02:06
	I bought tons of this kind of stuff in the 70's, since I was just starting to play with synths myself. However, none of the record stores I frequented had a "Progressive Electronic" section; it was just labeled "Electronic". I am really glad that somebody eventually came up with the term, because it has saved me from accidentally buying (or even looking at) any albums by Moby and his crappy dancemusic ilk (who STOLE the term "Electronic Music" from us)........