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    Posted: January 11 2007 at 04:43
^true.. and even though most of them are not reviewed that much, the truth remains that it is a great prog data source... i, myself, have learned a lot more than i even imagined for the prog world as many of you have (i suppose...)

in addition to this, i would recommend to create threads asking opinions about unreviewed releases, or ones that haven't got that many ratings, cause i think that even if an album is rated by eg 2 or 3 guys, i'm sure a lot more would have heard it and would gladly share their opinion..
    
    
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2007 at 04:27
On a positive note, I think we as a website cover a far wider range of prog albums which have been reviewed than any other site.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 17:31
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Excellent...good attitude, I often do the same. But the fact is people will and should buy what they want, not because it's unreviewed. Also, much stuff on the list is not widely available even online or at a good store.



    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 17:25
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Is anyone here really surprised that there are so many unreviewed albums? There is a ton of prog, not very many people who love it enough to search out hard to find stuff and buy it unheard (and who can blame them), and new bands being added all the time. Incentives wouldn't put a big dent in the unreviewed list. It's just how it goes when a site has decided to try and catalog every prog artist in the world. The job is a little too big and always growing. It's a wonder more of us aren't going grey.



I look at that list and wonder. And then I go to a store to see if it is there. And I wonder there as well. When I spend my money I will be doing more unreviewed albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 17:24
Is anyone here really surprised that there are so many unreviewed albums? There is a ton of prog, not very many people who love it enough to search out hard to find stuff and buy it unheard (and who can blame them), and new bands being added all the time. Incentives wouldn't put a big dent in the unreviewed list. It's just how it goes when a site has decided to try and catalog every prog artist in the world. The job is a little too big and always growing. It's a wonder more of us aren't going grey.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 17:07
    I think it should be encouraged to review more neglected albums, but you can't put a cap on it. I would have been very disappointed if I was unable to review "Foxtrot."
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 16:58
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

The "First review of this album" notation was another initiative to encourage people to look for unreviewed albums.
 
 


It certainly encouraged me to find more obscure prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 16:53
The "First review of this album" notation was another initiative to encourage people to look for unreviewed albums.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 16:44
Originally posted by Asyte2c00 Asyte2c00 wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Have you seen this thread?
 
 
It includes a link to a report of all unreviewed albums.Wink
 
Yes, I have. 
 
I realize the purpose of that thread. 
 
It seems futile though.  Its indentifying a probelm, in this case unreviewd albums, but not solving a probelm. 
 
The list merely brings an issue to light. 


Maybe you should check posts on this thread posted in the past 7 days. There's been a lot of activity on first reviews for these albums. The thread serves its purpose of identifying AND solving the issue. No need for more as far as I'm concerned - I'm with Firepuck on this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 14:56
As I said initially, the only way to solve this problem is to let time do it. You will not be able to do it otherwise.
On second thought however, you may be able to hasten the submission of reviews by continually bringing it up - but I still maintain that 1 review is almost as useless as no reviews. The only exception I can think of is if the reviewer is someone who's opinion you respect.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 14:00
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Have you seen this thread?
 
 
It includes a link to a report of all unreviewed albums.Wink
 
Yes, I have. 
 
I realize the purpose of that thread. 
 
It seems futile though.  Its indentifying a probelm, in this case unreviewd albums, but not solving a probelm. 
 
The list merely brings an issue to light. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:59
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Have you seen this thread?
 
 
It includes a link to a report of all unreviewed albums.Wink


I've seen it a lot. But I rarely find anything I own.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:58
Have you seen this thread?
 
 
It includes a link to a report of all unreviewed albums.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:41
Even this wouldn't work.
 
Let's look at Tangerine Dream for a moment. This is a band that has been releasing music for 40+ years now (since 1966). Because of their longevity one might think that this would be a very well reviewed band.
 
current album count = 125 (WOW!!!)
 
unreviewed albums = 30
albums with only 1 review = 34
albums with between 2 and 5 reviews = 27
 
most reviews for one album = 61
(which not suprisingly is very highly rated by most reviewers and currently has a rating of 4.35)
 
Unreviewed Button?
So if we have a button for the unreviewed albums and someone reviews them the button disappears. Now we have 64 Tangerine Dream albums with 1 review. How is that better than 30 unreviewed and 34 1 review albums?
 
Or another way to put it;
"OK, I'd like to get some Tangerine Dream, never listened to them before but hey, I like electronic music. Hmmm, should I get 'Phaedra' which has 61 reviews and scores 4.35 or 'Architecture in Motion' which has 1 review but - WOW it's a 5 star review, I should get that one!"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:25
Originally posted by Asyte2c00 Asyte2c00 wrote:

 
Perhaps, the better aim is to implement a time threshold onto artists within PA. 
 
For instance, LZ was added in ealry December., I belive.  In this case, LZ should have x number of reviews a year following their addition to PA. 
 
This x value will be a number admins deem apprpriate. 



That would be too demanding. I do not think people would meet the "requirements" on some bands and go over the top on others. Most of the obscure prog would not have a lot of reviews the first year they are added.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:21
Originally posted by Firepuck Firepuck wrote:

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Ah, but Asyte2c00, you did say force.
Encouragement is a different story, but using the incentive of not allowing reviews of certain albums (based on review counts) will not work. 
 
Yea, i did.  perhaps, that was a bit harsh. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:20
Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Originally posted by Asyte2c00 Asyte2c00 wrote:

I dont want to force people to review albums, I just want to encourage them to review albums. 
 
Theres is a difference. 



Maybe if there was an unreviewed button on the main page that would encourage people to review them. Not allowing them to review popular stuff would probably make them go away.
 
^^That is True. 
 
But Thats Not My intent.  I just believe for website that has been around for three eyars theres is surprising number of unreviewd albums on ther database. 
 
This is partly due to the constant additions of bands to PA. The Doors, LZ, Iron Maiden, to name a few. 
 
 
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Perhaps, the better aim is to implement a time threshold onto artists within PA. 
 
For instance, LZ was added in ealry December., I belive.  In this case, LZ should have x number of reviews a year following their addition to PA. 
 
This x value will be a number admins deem apprpriate. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:16
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Ah, but Asyte2c00, you did say force.
Encouragement is a different story, but using the incentive of not allowing reviews of certain albums (based on review counts) will not work. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:15
Originally posted by Asyte2c00 Asyte2c00 wrote:

I dont want to force people to review albums, I just want to encourage them to review albums. 
 
Theres is a difference. 



Maybe if there was an unreviewed button on the main page that would encourage people to review them. Not allowing them to review popular stuff would probably make them go away.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2007 at 13:12
I dont want to force people to review albums, I just want to encourage them to review albums. 
 
Theres is a difference. 
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