Ok, I give up, but THE DOORS....

Snow Dog wrote: I actually agree with Philippe!

Me too,will wonders never cease?
    

Philippe,

*sighs*

    As much as I do believe they should be included, I also think that our energies would be better spent on lesser known prog bands. Recently I have had the opportunity to discover a wide range of bands with almost no recognition. Everybody knows the Doors. Let's give some press to artists that need it.



But, as I am sure that they will be added, I will also give my support to Erik for authoring the bio. He's already done a lot of research. I'm sure it will be a good one, that we will all appreciate.

    

Edited by bhikkhu - January 02 2007 at 12:48

bhikkhu wrote: But, as I am sure that they will be added, I will also give my support to Erik for authoring the bio. He's already done a lot of research. I'm sure it will be a good one, that we will all appreciate.

you can already read it here:

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2772


Edited by andu - January 02 2007 at 12:51

oliverstoned wrote: Anyway, i prefer to see the Doors than some shameful so-called "prog" metal bands. I've been horrified to see how high "Riverside" is quoted and how many 5 stars reviews it has...i've unfortunatly heard this album (""Second life syndrome"") and been traumatized for ever.

freekske wrote: oliverstoned wrote: Anyway, i prefer to see the Doors than some shameful so-called "prog" metal bands. I've been horrified to see how high "Riverside" is quoted and how many 5 stars reviews it has...i've unfortunatly heard this album (""Second life syndrome"") and been traumatized for ever.     not to forget DT

Alternately, we could just invent more categories.

Edited by Peter Rideout - January 02 2007 at 14:04

A while ago I have proposed to rename Prog Archives into Prog Music Archives in order to give the possibility to add bands and artists that lack the element rock but sound adventurous, inventive, eclectic, .... progressive. I regret the fact that this site hosts many non-adventurous prog metal bands and doubtful progressive pop bands while very interesting bands/artists like David Bowie, Jeff Beck and Miles Davis are still not added because we are too busy with endless, often emotional and subjective discussions about the right category. We even juggle with the genres Art-rock and Prog-related to add bands/artists to Prog Archives. So please rename Prog Archives into Prog Music Archives, this will do more justice to the word 'progressive'

 

Edited by erik neuteboom - January 02 2007 at 17:43

I see your point, Erik, but the name "prog music archives" still implies that everything listed here is "prog" (but its not all "prog," is it?). "Prog rock" or "prog music," people will still argue endlessly about an artist's "prog" credentials. "Prog" is the issue, the thing we can't nail down, or pin lifeless in a display case. We can try to do so with words (as has been done here), but still, making those few words (all open to individual interpretation) apply (or not) to all the music in the world, to the satisfaction of all, is a hopeless task. Trying to thus narrowly "contain" or categorize art with words is much like trying to hold wind in a net.

Still, I prefer a name like the one I proposed -- "progcetera" because that implies that the site contains prog, plus other forms of music (likely of interest to prog fans).

Anyway, in all honesty I don't suppose a mere name would change much, in the end, because people being people, they will still assume that all music being listed here is being classified as "prog" -- when it (already) isn't.

If it was my site though, I might try a name change to make the broader, evolving focus clearer, to try to head off some of the endless arguments and acrimony that continue to plague this forum, and the reviews.

Bottom line: narrowly categorizing something as amorphous (and so dependent upon the individual listener for its "meaning") as music will always be a contentious, woefully inexact, subjective process. We try to treat art like science or math, as something that we can all view the same way, and "measure," but that approach simply does not work. Consensus will only be possible when all art is the same (God forbid) or when we are all the same (impossible). As I've said before, "prog" is a value judgement made by individuals -- it is not anything concrete. It basically means "good,"  or "better than average," and those are highly subjective notions.

The very term "prog" was, is, and will always be the problem here.

Thanks for reading!