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DallasBryan 
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Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323 |
 Posted: September 12 2006 at 14:04 |
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Blues for Allah and From The Mars Hotel are their most progressive, though I find neither exceptional for the category. I think the combination of both sides of the band on Jerry Garcia's solo album Garcia more entertaining as a whole, somewhere between Blues for Allah and American Beauty.
Edited by DallasBryan - September 12 2006 at 14:06 |
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cuncuna
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Joined: March 29 2005 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 4318 |
Posted: September 12 2006 at 14:06 |
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Other: suck related.
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¡Beware of the Bee!
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the icon of sin
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Joined: July 29 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 588 |
Posted: October 22 2006 at 09:34 |
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There's no doubt that their albums between 1974 and 77 are progressive, and I quite enjoy their so-called "country" music too, despite general opinions here. I know a fair bit about them mostly from my dad, who has everything they ever released officially and over 400 bootleged concerts (all legal) of the band and their various branches/side projects. So having heard almost every era in moderate to extreme detail, some eras undoubtedly interest me more then others.
I'm convinced the live period between 68 and 69 was their height, as shown on the awesome "Live at Fillmore West 1969", which in my opinion kicks the crap out of albums like "How the West Was Won" and "Made in Japan" as a live document. Edited by the icon of sin - October 22 2006 at 09:35 |
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Asyte2c00
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Joined: January 15 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2099 |
Posted: October 22 2006 at 13:12 |
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Yes Prog Related If Jefferson Airplane is in PA, you must have Grateful Dead in PA as well.
You cannot have one without the other.
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Peter
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 13:18 |
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No, not prog -- but I suppose they soon will be....
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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the icon of sin
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Joined: July 29 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 588 |
Posted: October 23 2006 at 14:06 |
Don't get me wrong based on those comments (assuming at least part of your response was directed at me), I don't consider them prog even based on their 74-77 output. I dislkie the "prog related" genre more and more every time a new band appears on there that plain shouldn't be on thie site. Won't name names, but it's damn obvious who a few of them are. Keep the Grateful Dead out of the Archives but in our CD players. |
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 01:06 |
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Great band, live *and* studio; Terapin Station, Blues for Allah, Mars Hotel, Steal Your Face, all progressive with a small 'p'...but not prog. Maybe prog related.
Bilek- the Dead are a West coast band, not East coast (if that's what you meant). |
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progismylife
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Joined: October 19 2006 Location: ibreathehelium Status: Offline Points: 15535 |
Posted: October 25 2006 at 05:21 |
I agree. |
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Bilek
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 06:03 |
Indeed. It's only natural for one who lives in the exact opposite side of the world to confuse American coasts
 . Thanks for the info btw. and thanks for supporting the idea (albeait half-heartedly
 )... I believe they'd fit in proto-prog better than related; either way OK by me... |
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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Bilek
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 06:08 |
I agree so much that I didn't even bother to change the fonts
...In fact, (though I didn't listen to JA so much) I believe the Dead are much more proggier!
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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progismylife
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 06:09 |
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What styles are from the East Coast? I used to live in California so I think I can have a guess at what style that is. |
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Bilek
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 08:01 |
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^^ If you also mean "West", the only other bands I know as West coast are Jefferson Airplane, The Byrds, and The Doors. The style is probably accociated with this: http://www.answers.com/topic/psychedelia (look at the Wikipedia section). Probably mostly because of San Fransisco connection.
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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Witchwoodhermit
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Joined: February 23 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 871 |
Posted: November 29 2006 at 20:46 |
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The Dead are psychedelic/country/folk/rock. With a jazz and blues background. Their music is roots based, not progressive.
The Jefferson Airplane pushed rock limits, out of a folk/blues base. Good for rocks progression, but not prog music.
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Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan
ringed by ants and musing over man. |
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darkshade
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
Posted: November 30 2006 at 01:16 |
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if any of the so-called 'jam bands' (Umphrey's McGee, String Cheese Incident, The Grateful Dead, m.o.e., etc...) should be in a rightful sub-genre of prog, it should be Phish (prog-related, according to this site) who are, IMHO, are more prog than any of the bands i mentioned (even UMcG, who are listed as jazz-rock/fusion)
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progismylife
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Posted: November 30 2006 at 02:21 |
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I disagree with my original statement that the Dead are prog. After listening to some of their albums, I concluded that they are more blues grass/blues/psychedelia than prog.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: November 30 2006 at 07:27 |
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The Grateful Dead are one of those bands my younger self thought I should be into; then I heard some...
...don't get it. I dont get the adulation, I don't get the praise heaped upon the late Jerry Garcia (good guitarist, sure, but nothing special) & I don't get their iconic status. As far as I see it from hearing several albums, and owning a couple myself (Mars Hotel, Steal Your Face, Blues For Allah), they're a good band, but nothing exceptional, bluesy, west-coast country-rock - nothing challenging (apart from staying awake during one of the 5 hour noodling sessions they called 'concerts'); in fact, in my opinion, they rate as highly as Earth does in the Hitchhikers Guide: "Mostly Harmless" Sorry. |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: November 30 2006 at 07:35 |
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Your big mistake is that you don't know the first period which has nothing to do with the albums you quote. Grateful dead was at the top in 1969. "Dark star" is their best piece, the most progressive and psychedelic. The albums to get first: Live Dead (1969) 
From the Vaults (1969) 
The Dead is a live band. Edited by oliverstoned - November 30 2006 at 07:35 |
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Freak
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Joined: July 12 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 304 |
Posted: November 30 2006 at 17:13 |
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Terrapin! Terrapin!
They're definitely prog-related! At least as prog-related as Zepp (sorry, had to!). The Dead are on of my favorite bands, and both me uncles are Deadheads. I inherited a lot of tunes from them, and started to search for my own. The only recorded album I have is Terrapin, but the live stuff is more than enough to form an opinion on.
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the icon of sin
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 03:27 |
Steal Your Face is widely known as the worst official GD album ever released - really bad introduction. Why do you think the fans call it Steal Your Cash? |
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Jim Garten
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 03:36 |
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Reading this thread I've decided to give them another chance - looking around, I managed to find a 3 CD set of 'Live Dead', 'Working Man's Dead' and 'American Beauty' for £5 (thank you Amazon) - these are all albums which individually had 5 star ratings (I had to have a damned good trawl, as there are so many releases out there); so, let's see how I (a non Dead-Head) get on, eh?
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