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1800iareyay
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Topic: Which album do you "rather dislike"? Posted: November 29 2006 at 19:30 |
Which album do you think is not only bad, it set prog back a few years? This is similar to the "When bands lost it" thread but these albums affected your perception of a band and/or prog in general as opposed to just sucking.
Discipline is one of my favorite KC albums, but some fans view it as a attempt to break through to the mainstream.
Tormato brought an end to Yes' prog domination; though not terrible, it does not measure up to Yes' standards.
Octavarium is the worst album in the DT discography, though its still decent and contains one of their best racks in the stunning title epic.
Presto is where many Rush fans jumped ship for good.
I first heard Genesis through a friend who lent me Seconds Out, Adacab, and And Then There Were Three. While I enjoyed the live albm, I could not stand the studio output. I removed every album except Seconds Out from my iPod and told my friend he was crazy (turns out he had no idea who they were and received the albums from his grandparents in Germany). Finally, I heard Selling England and understood the genius of Genesis. However, I feel the departure of Hackett left a huge void in the band that was filled with lame and uninspired pop songs.
Then, there's Love Beach. I reviewed this album on the main site, where I unleashed my venom on this album (look for 1800iareyay's review if interested). However, once I submitted the review, I discovered that I wanted to say more, which is part of the reason I sarted this poll. Love Beach is wrist-cuttingly bad. The pathetic lyrics, beyond subpar instrumentality, and commercial gloss shook my faith deeply in ELP, and prog since, at the time, ELP was the only prog band I had listened to. Thankfully, Yes swooped in a saved me soon after. After I began to appreciate prog, I thought my then-15 year old brain couldn't grasp the deep levels that surely must have been present on LB. So I listened to it again. About halfway through the seeming epic Officer and a Gentleman, I took out my trusty Boy Scout pocketknife, opened it, and plunged it into my thigh. I did this to distract myself from the pain. Love Beach, IMO, a stain on progressive music and, to me, is to prog as "Glitter" or "Showgirls" is to cinema. Nothing about that album is good, nothing. It will always get my vote not only as the worst album of prog, but my personal choice for the worst album of all time.
Edited by 1800iareyay - November 30 2006 at 18:17
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 19:42 |
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 19:59 |
There is no album that I absolutely hate (in prog at least).
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Fuzz
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 20:11 |
Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe.
Load of crap.
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el böthy
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 20:31 |
Where is Counterparts???
Yet, hate is a big word...I would rather say...detest...I detest Counterparts
Edited by el böthy - November 29 2006 at 20:43
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Arrrghus
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 20:34 |
Why do would anyone hate Discipline? It's one of the best albums ever!!!
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 20:47 |
Presto is great I don't see it belonging with the others in this group. Although I'm not sure on discipline I haven't heard it.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 20:49 |
Octavarium > Train of Thought and Falling Into Infinity
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1800iareyay
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 20:50 |
TO be honest, I was trying to include an album from more famous prog bands, though I left out Tull and GG because I haven't heard much of them. I personally love Discipline, like Tormato, and think Octavarium is decent, though it still is DT's worst.
By the way el bothy- it think detest is stronger than hate
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 21:26 |
In my opinion Octavarium is one of the better albums of the last decade, it has no place here.
I dislike many of the Genesis albums after "And Then There were Three" but not Duke. But I cannot stand Invisible Touch/We Can't Dance of Genesis so my choice is Other.
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 22:04 |
The only one that gets my absolute derision is Yes "Big Generator."
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 22:24 |
bhikkhu wrote:
The only one that gets my absolute derision is Yes "Big Generator." |
I would have to agree. Yes was one of the best prog bands ever, but when they started to go downhill, they crashed and burned spectacularly.
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progadicto
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 22:41 |
I disagree with that poll because I think you can't hate albums... maybe you like or not but you can'y hate... hate is an horrible word...
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 23:32 |
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Posted: November 30 2006 at 00:22 |
progadicto wrote:
I disagree with that poll because I think you can't hate albums... maybe you like or not but you can'y hate... hate is an horrible word...
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You took the words right out of my mouth.
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SolariS
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Posted: November 30 2006 at 00:44 |
heyitsthatguy wrote:
Octavarium > Train of Thought and Falling Into Infinity
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Train of Thought > Octavarium > FII
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Posted: November 30 2006 at 01:53 |
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Posted: November 30 2006 at 03:26 |
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Posted: November 30 2006 at 03:32 |
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Mategra
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Posted: November 30 2006 at 04:02 |
Discipline - Not bad at all.
Tormato - Not bad! Yes' most underrated release.
Love Beach - Never heard. Except for their debut album, ELP have never been really interesting, imo.
Octavarium & Presto - Never heard, I will probably never bother with DT and Rush.
ATTWT or any post Hackett album - Definitely not bad!
Other albums:
Although I don't absolutely hate them, the worst albums I have bought are:
Amon Düül (I) - Disaster (Double LP with amateurish, uninspired jams. Sounds like a bunch of people who can't play on their instruments.)
IQ - The Seventh House (One of the reasons why I avoid neo-prog nowadays. This album is very hard to enjoy with its lengthy, ill-structured songs, annoying vocals, tacky drumming, cheesy synths and even cheesier saxophone.)
Asia - Astra (Much worse that their first and second albums.)
Karnataka - Delicate Flame of Desire (Completely unmemorable and bland.)
GTR - GTR (Not even Hackett nor Howe can rescue this failed project.)
Yes - Big Generator (Trevor Rabin turns Yes into something that they shouldn't be.)
Edited by Mategra - November 30 2006 at 09:14
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