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Vibrationbaby
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Topic: Best Prog Lyricist Posted: August 11 2004 at 04:08 |
Greg lake's writing has always touched me. My favourite ELP track is Lucky Man. Also some of his most beautiful work is ironically contained on the live album Pictures at an Exhibition. There is never a Christmas that goes that I don't play Father Christmas. So he get's my vote.
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Velvetclown
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 04:11 |
Fish and Ian Anderson.
and Muriah Heep
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Blacksword
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 07:31 |
Fish had his moments.. good and very bad Although when he wrote straight songs, like Kaleigh (whatever you may think of it) the lyrics were very touching.
I love Ian Andersons lyrics, Thick as a brick' especially..
As much as I love Rush, I think NP is a little to clever for his own good. He has a scientific mind, not an emotional one, and the latter is needed, IMHO, to write good songs lyrically. Good stories in the songs, but not always expressed very well.
Peter Gabriel is a genius of the written word. No wonder the direcor William Friedkin wanted his to work on a film script with him. The lyrics to 'Dancing with the moonlit knight' are inspired. Not to mention prety much all of the 'Lamb lies down on Broadway'.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 08:12 |
Fish's lyrics for Marillion on the 1st 3 albums are almost faultless (Kayleigh being the exception) - and incredibly deep; the lyrics to "Fugazi" require the application of a thesaurus and a grammar-school education just to grasp the basics!
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Velvetclown
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 08:28 |
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JrKASperov
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 08:37 |
Jon Anderson, who didn't actually write everything, but all Yes Lyrics I know are greatly implemented rythmically. And the meanings of it all escape even the greatest lyricist, that's what makes it more powerful.
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Epic.
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Velvetclown
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 08:46 |
And....................Frank Zappa ..........I forgot
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Blacksword
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 08:50 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Fish's lyrics for Marillion on the 1st 3 albums are almost faultless (Kayleigh being the exception) - and incredibly deep; the lyrics to "Fugazi" require the application of a thesaurus and a grammar-school education just to grasp the basics!
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I would agree that the lyrics on 'Script..' and 'Misplaced childhood' are very good, but I think he fell into cliches on Fugazi, at times. There were some lines which to me seemed very contrived. It seemed he was striving to be wierd and less concerned with telling a story or putting across an emotion in an accessable way.
The lines in Fugazi 'Extinguishing the fires in a private hell. Provoking the heartache to renew the license, of a bleeding heart poet a in fragile capsule, propping up the crust of a glitter conscience'
I'm sorry, it's all down to taste I guess but thats too much for me. The very fact that you may need a Thesaurus to analise the lyrics is not altogether a good thing in my view. The music was, however great most of the time.
On the other hand lyrcis to 'Incubus' and 'Punch & Judy' were excellent, as was the lyrics to 'Garden Party' among others. He was very capable,but in my view inconsistent.
Oh yes, and from 'Jigsaw':
'..bleeding from the surgeries of initial confrontation. Holding the word 'scalples' on tembling lips'
Thats twaddle.. Sorry
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Cesar Inca
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 09:34 |
Where is PETER HAMMILL??????
Anyway, I voted on Peter Gabriel. I enjoy so much the delirious romantic drive of Fish and Peart's intellectual/emotional concerns about society, the self, love and life... but I think that Gabriel's lyrics (both solo and in Genesis - and I know he didn't write the lyrics to Firth, Watcher, Angels, etc.) articulate romanticism and intellectualism very well, sometimew through many words, sometimes with only a few ellusive ones.
But HAMMILL is, IMHO, the best lyricist ever... prog or not!! He should have been listed here, please, you've got to give me that.
By the way, Ian Anderson is a very clever lyricist, too. And by the way, too, IMHO, 'Incubus' contains the best Fish lyrics ever!!! reading them only is a pleasure to me, let alone hearing him sing them with the beautiful instrumental back-up displayed by his bandmates - solid rhythm duo, beautiful passages on synth and lead guitar, cleverly segued sections, a stunning waltz-like interlude, a bombastic climax. One of the most brilliant songs in 80s prog, IMHO.
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Velvetclown
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 09:35 |
Amen Inca
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 09:47 |
Someone mentioned that Peart had a scientific mind, and his writing reflects that. However, that is the one thing that I happen to enjoy about Rush! I feel I have a lot in common with NP, as his lyrics speak so profoundly to me. Call me a nerd, but I have the same passion for science fiction that he does.
And yes, where is Peter Hammill!?!
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threefates
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 10:04 |
Guess what I'm gonna say??
Greg Lake's lyrics have evidently always touched me to.. and his alone.. not that I don't love the ones he co-authored with Pete Sinfield...
He had a romanticism in prog that was sorely lacking, but he also had a way of describing a picture that you sort of had to read between his lines to understand.. and I got really good at reading inbetween his lines... One of my favorite of his will always be "Mass"...
The preacher said a prayer. Save ev'ry single hair on his head. He's dead.
The minister of hate had just arrived to late be spared. Who cared? The weaver in the web that he made!
The pilgrim wandered in, Commiting ev'ry sin that he could So good...
The cardinal of grief was set in his belief he'd be saved From the grave The weaver in the web that he made!
The high priest took a blade To bless the ones that prayed, And all obeyed.
The messenger of fear is slowly growing, nearer to the time, A sign. The weaver in the web that he made!
A bishops rings a bell, A cloak of darkness fell across the ground Without a sound!
The silent choir sing and in their silence, Bring jaded sound, harmonic ground. The weaver in the web that he made!
Edited by threefates
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THIS IS ELP
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Velvetclown
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 10:05 |
Great stuff
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Blacksword
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 10:47 |
Glass-Prison wrote:
Someone mentioned that Peart had a scientific mind, and his writing reflects that. However, that is the one thing that I happen to enjoy about Rush! I feel I have a lot in common with NP, as his lyrics speak so profoundly to me. Call me a nerd, but I have the same passion for science fiction that he does.
And yes, where is Peter Hammill!?!
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That was me, about NP. I've been a life long Rush fan. They have been an inspiration to me on many levels. I'm not saying NP writes bad lyrcis, but I can understand why some people regard them as unemotional, but I think Geddy Lee brings the words to life. NP is an intelligent lyricist, but although they are my favourite band, musically, I have prefered lyricists, namely Peter Gabriel.
And yes, where is PETER HAMMILL. Lord knows how he slipped through the net!! One of my favourite lyrics is 'Still Life'. Grim, darkly comic, beautifully written, and all embracing the horror of immortality.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 11:06 |
The oft-overlooked, but masterful Peter Hammill - I guess Fish wouldn't have lost on the Swings and Roundabouts without him!
Those lyrics needs to be taken in context, preceeded by;
"Vodka intimate, an affair with isolation in a Black Heath cell,"
'Extinguishing the fires in a private hell; provoking the heartache to renew the license of a bleeding heart poet in a fragile capsule propping up the crust of a glitter conscience'
and followed by
"Wrapped in the christening shawl of a hangover, baptized in tears from the real."
Genius! One of the few bits of Fugazi that needs no translation - but one hell of a twisted mind to relate to, I guess... Gives me so many goose bumps I can't even begin to reword it - it seems so unnecessary to dismantle such seamless prose! (although I punctuated - or de-punctuated it to bring out some of the meaning a bit better).
Now the second verse shines even more light - once you've pentrated the double stanzas...
I like it, anyway 
Edited by Certif1ed
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Blacksword
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 11:19 |
If a lyricist can bring out the goosebumps in anyone he/she has excelled in their job. I always thought of Fish as having been inspired by Peter Gabriel more than anyone else. I guess P.Hammill is so overlooked that I failed to noticed the rather obvious PH simularity in the opening of 'Script for a Jesters tear' That IS one of Marillions most touching lyrics, IMO.
'I never did write that love song. The words just never seemed to flow. Now sad in reflection, I gaze through perfection,and examine the shadows on the othe side of morning I examine the shadows on the other side of morning promised wedding hour awake'
PROMISED WEDDING HOUR AWAKE!!!
Right, I'm off home to listen to that now. I take back everything I said about Fish!!
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 13:58 |
I think most people who hear Gabriel's influence on Fish hear similarities in vocal tone rather than lyrics - Fish's lyrics owe more to Hammill, IMO.
"...examine the shadows on the other side of morning, examine the shadows on the other side of mourning Promised wedding now a wake" (as in funeral, but it's supposed to sound like awake to blur the two ideas).

I'm always misquoting lyrics, but these mean something to me!
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Bryan
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 14:45 |
...how has Greg Lake gotten two votes?
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James Lee
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 15:15 |
Hmm, no mention by anyone of either Sinfield or Palmer-James...lyricists so talented that they were band members without even playing an instrument...(IMHO Hammill's lyrics always reminded me of a weepy teenage girl writing poems in her diary. Glad to see he was passed over...)
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Posted: August 11 2004 at 15:20 |
Roger Waters and Derek Dick. But had to split my vote due the first impact Roger had on me with "The Dark Side of the Moon", my first prog recording ever! 
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break the circle
reset my head
wake the sleepwalker
and i'll wake the dead
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