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Apsalar ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
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Thanks for that link, some interesting reading.
Just out of interest, on the French front. What did you think of Hellebore? I have been trying to find this on vinyl for a little while now with little success. I will just have to patient. Their "IL Y A Des Jour" album has been rocketing rapidly up my favourite album list. |
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avestin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 18 2005 Status: Offline Points: 12625 |
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I like Il y a des jours, even a lot. Need mroe listens but so far it is up to my expectations.
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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Adam, do you know Ensemble Rayé? They've been mentioned in your absense, so was curious to know what your thoughts are on them.
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Apsalar ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
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Afriad by name only, don't own any of their material. WHat are they like? Do you think they would be something I would like?
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avestin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 18 2005 Status: Offline Points: 12625 |
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^^^
Not rio at all from the samples on their site. Nice stuff, but not too exciting.
Listen here:
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Apsalar ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
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Interesting... unforunately for some reason I could not load their home page. Had a look around to see what people had to say about them. Seems they get lumped with some of the early RIO bands. I guess it cannot be too bad. Will have to find some more tracks to listen to.
ALso I see there has been a bit of excitment about Xaal while I was gone ![]() |
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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Yes, Xaal not being Zeuhl... I've yet to listen yet, but I will hopefully soon. May grandmother is coming to stay from tomorrow until Thursday, so I don't know how much I'll be around.
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avestin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 18 2005 Status: Offline Points: 12625 |
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Well I heard both Ma Banlieu Flasque and Mahogany Brain. The first one I liked and was actually surprised because I was expecting something else and not fusion, canterbury etc. (not sure about RIO though, but again, more listens are needed). As for Mahogany, maybe it's because I wasn't too attentive, but I was a bit dissaponted. Maybe too amorphic, shapeless for me, but I will try this again. Anyway, I am happy to try new things. OK, Adam, what else?
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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The only problem with Ma Banlieue Flasque is that it's a bitch to spell!
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Apsalar ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
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Hmmm... I will have to have a browse through some of my stuff. Is there anything in particular you are looking for in regards to things other than the Japanese and French scene? |
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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I'm going to "investigate" No-Neck Blues Band, thanks to you, Adam, they sound most intriguing!
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Apsalar ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
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I think they are worth the while, they are quite free form, so I am hoping this is not going to be problem. The first release I heard by them was there release with Embyro and this lead to furthure interest. At times they remind me a little of 'Third Ear Band', but a little more experimental.
Here is some more information on the band along with some great pictures: The No-Neck Blues Band ![]() Let's dispense with the mythology right off the bat -- the No-Neck Blues Band isn't a group of anonymous modern-day hippie-commune mystics, eating mushrooms all day while listening to rare Don Cherry records. They have names, in fact: Dave Nuss, Keith Connolly, Dave Shuford, Jason Meagher, Pat Murano, Matt Heyner, and Michiko. While a number of them do, in fact, live communally in a four-story loft building in West Harlem, NYC -- aka The Hint House -- they are for the most part simply a group of relatively young down-to-earth professionals, artists, and academics who happen to make incredibly challenging and rewarding music when they decide to play. That's not to say that they don't enjoy a sort of self-imposed obscurity. They do, largely due to the fact that they self-release almost all of their material on their own sound@one (s@1) record label, and usually in incredibly limited quantities. They've long preferred to perform in private spaces indoors or public spaces outdoors rather than rock clubs, and performances usually take on an almost ritualistic aspect (such as their annual Orthodox Easter shows). Over the almost fifteen years of their existence, their improvisations have morphed from free-jazz- and experimental-noise-inspired jams to those more akin to the stoned folk freakouts of YaHoWha, Siloah, Amon Duul, Mahagony Brain, Trad Gras och Stenar, or... German experimental krautrock masters Embryo, with whom they released a collaboration earlier this year. Ultimately, however, their music sounds like no one else's. Others have combined acoustic folk instrumentation with experimental electronics, but none come even close to the always-shifting yet somehow instantly recognizable NNCK sound. The four albums we share here span the years 1998-2004, which in our opinion was the period of time during which they truly became the greatest American improv act working today. More recent titles, such as the aforementioned collaboration with Embryo, Embryonnck, and this year's Qvaris, are still available, and we encourage their purchase wholeheartedly. Also available is their best-known release, Sticks and Stones May Break My Bones but Names Will Never Hurt Me, which was produced by Jerry Yester (of the Lovin' Spoonful) and released on John Fahey's Revenant Records. (Aside: Fahey became an ardent fan of NNCK late in his life, and performed at the Hint House on more than one occasion. So did Michael Hurley, but that's another story...) ![]() |
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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Got it as your sig I see, very nice! They look like a fun band to be around.
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Apsalar ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
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Just a little change in direction. I cannot remember if these guys have been discussed in this thread, but I guess I cannot hurt to try again. Am just listening to their first album at the moment and think people here should be enjoying this.
Opus Avantra ![]() Donella Del Monaco - LP (taken from italtianprog.com) A unique group in the italian scene, Opus Avantra mixed together contemporary classical music with avantgarde and a light progressive rock inflience, giving an original result that's often considered too difficult to listen for straight prog rock ears. Their name was obtained from their three main interests, opera, avantgarde and traditional music. Formed in Veneto in 1973 around the nucleus of soprano
Donella Del Monaco (the niece of famous tenor Mario Del Monaco), pianist-composer
Alfredo Tisocco, philosopher Giorgio Bisotto and producer Renato Marengo, and
aided in the years by many other musicians, the group released their first
album in 1974, Opus Avantra - Donella Del
Monaco
(often referred to as Introspezione,
from the title
of the first track) on the collectible Trident
label. Donella Del Monaco was absent on the second album Lord Cromwell (plays suite for seven vices), that follows in the same style as the previous work, being replaced by an american chorus. Former Nuova Idea drummer Paolo Siani played on this album, that like the first one contains some interesting passages for the adventurous listeners. Both Alfredo Tisocco (along with Gruppo Italiano di Danza Libera in 1975's Katharsis) and Donella Del Monaco (with 12 canzoni da battello in 1977 and Schoenberg Kabarett in 1978) also released individual albums in the same vein, and the duo reunited under the name Opus Avantra for a third album in 1989, Strata, and a CD-only fourth release in 1995, Lyrics. |
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avestin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 18 2005 Status: Offline Points: 12625 |
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^^^
![]() Have Introspezione and Lord Cromwell and love them both. Weird, sometimes maybe tried too hard, and not listener friendly, but I like it. I recommended it a while ago in the I Recommend thread.
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Apsalar ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
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I have only recently discovered them and have been impressed with what I have heard. I know what you mean about the trying a little too hard. But I was sucked right in with the gothic-classical touch they have in there music. The Italian seem to have a strange talent at making RIO which is delicate yet unaccessible (a strange but effective mix). Will definitely check out more of their albums in the future.
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Apsalar ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
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Hmmm... I was just flicking through someones collection on Rateyourmusic and found out something I didn't know.
Yoshihide did a compilation with Bob Ostertag called twins, also featuring Chris Cutler! ![]() Twins!(Sank-ohso Discs/Creativeman Disc., CMDD-00030) (CD)
Track 1 Tracks 2, 6, 9 Track 3 Tracks 4, 7, 8 Track 5 Bob Ostertag used an Ensoniq ASR-10 sampler, EmagicÕs Logic Audio and Deck II. Produced by Shigenori Noda *Notes of making ÒtwinsÓ *Twins! is also a variation of Yoshihide OtomoÕs Sampling Virus Project. Released 1996 --------------------------------------------------------------------- For those who are unfamiliar with the works of Mr Ostertag. Here is a little information from Wikipeida Early careerRaised in Colorado, Ostertag studied at the Oberlin Conservatory of Music. In 1976, he formed the improvisation ensemble Fall Mountain with Ned Rothenberg on reeds and Jim Katzin on violin, himself on electronic keyboard. The ensemble released Early Fall in 1979. Later that same year, Ostertag relocated to New York City, where he befriended John Zorn, Fred Frith, Zeena Parkins, and several other musicians interested in collaborative improvisation. In 1980, Ostertag released Getting A Head with guitarist Fred Frith and drummer Charles Noyes. Ostertag's use of sampling, tape manipulation, and electronic self-made instruments created a unique sound and approach to improvised music. Following the release of Getting A Head, Ostertag became the first of his generation of musicians to have his work presented at The Kitchen, at the time New York City's premiere venue for new music. [edit] Musical inactivityWith his sudden success came a greater involvement in politics, specifically in the turbulent revolutions and counter-revolutions of South America in the 1980's. In response to the political climate, Ostertag released Voice of America. As Ostertag became increasingly involved in such political issues, and increasingly dissatisfied with the music industry, he moved to El Salvador in 1982 and, for the nearly seven years, abandoned music altogether. His experiences in El Salvador were later synthesized into his piece Sooner or Later. Ostertag became an expert on the political crisis in Central America and published widely for a diverse range of publications, including Piensamiento Propio (Nicaragua) Piensamiento Critico (Puerto Rico), The Guardian (London), the Weekly Mail (South Africa), Mother Jones and the NACLA Report on the Americas (US), AMPO (Japan), and even the clandestine theoretical journal of the New People's Army in the Philippines. He alternates his time in Central America with organizing and public speaking in the US, giving lectures at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Rutgers, and many other schools and institutions. [edit] Return to musicOstertag returned to music in 1989 and toured with Fred Frith's Keep the Dog. Ostertag released Attention Span in 1990, featuring Frith on guitars and John Zorn on saxophone. Ostertag follows Attention Span with the release of Sooner or Later, his musical response to his years in El Salvador and the first part of a trilogy to treat the themes of grief, anger, and joy. In 1992, The Kronos Quartet commissions a new work from Ostertag. This commission produces the landmark work All the Rage. Ostertag composed the piece using a recording of a riot for gay rights in San Francisco. Ostertag originally conceived All the Rage as a collaboration with writer/painter/photographer/film maker David Wojnarowicz, but David was ill with AIDS. When David dies before the collaboration can take place, Ostertag makes a second, solo piece from the riot recordings, Burns Like Fire, and dedicates it to Wojnarowicz. In 1993, Ostertag forms Say No More, a virtual quartet, with drummer Joey Baron, bassist Mark Dresser, percussionist Gerry Hemingway. The group's music was actually composed by a computer and sampler from separate individual performances and then released as Say No More in 1993, the live - In Person in 1994, Verbatim in 1996 and Verbatim Flesh & Blood in 2000. In 1999, after 10 years working with the same sampler, Ostertag switches to a laptop computer and begins writing his own audio performance software through Max/MSP. This allows him use various controllers, including joysticks, game pads, and drawing tablets in his performances. This same year, Ostertag releases Like A Melody, No Bitterness his first CD of solo improvisation. This CD is a tribute to his sampler that he spent the last decade mastering as an instrument. Ostertag has also scored multimedia pieces such as Spiral in 1996. In 2000, Ostertag begins work with Pierre Hébert and Baltazar López on a full-scale multi-media and theater work, Between Science and Garbage, commissioned by Meet the Composer and the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts in San Francisco. |
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Apsalar ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
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Does anyone have either of these albums? I'm having a little bit of trouble finding them
![]() Jonsson, Lach'n (Lars) [Sweden] Updated 7/25/01
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"Perhaps there are some similarities with Anglagard’s Epilog, but Music For the Dying Forest WAS RELEASED NINE (9) YEARS BEFORE the best neoprog band’s album came out (there’s no doubt who was inspired by who)."
Nevermind the term Neo associated with Anglagard, but if there is some similarity between those two albums, I would love to hear this as well.
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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Have you listened to much Schicke, Fuhrs & Frohling? Apparently one of their songs was a big influence in Anglagard too. I've heard the track in question and didn't notice any similarities, but I'll listen again in the future.
I'm looking forward to hearing Zeut Un Feu Rouge. |
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