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Poll Question: should Jimi Hendrix be in Progarchives (Proto-prog)?
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Better than all those vague folk, electronic, metal and progpop bands of the previous months .. Cry
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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Better than all those vague folk, electronic, metal and progpop bands of the previous months .. Cry
 
De acordo! Smile
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Maybe in the future we could have a rock/metal/blues genre?
Then we could accept Hendrix, Rainbow...OK...OK.....it will never happen <img


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Better than all those vague folk, electronic, metal and progpop bands of the previous months .. Cry


No. Equally bad.
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I need to find out more about Hendrix, I used to own his greatist hits but I don't think thats  enough.



  
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i took this from this page.
 

The development of Progressive Rock Music

Written by Lucas BIELA

The development of Progressive Rock Music, a difficult task

Late 60s and beginning of the 70s
I would say it all began with psychedelic music, i.e. essentially Jimi Hendrix and earlier PINK FLOYD (all their stuff with Syd Barrett). Some people say that The BEATLES also had a contribution to the prog movement). Then came bands such as KING CRIMSON and YES at the end of the sixties......
 
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"I would say"

Well, obviously, he doesn't know what he's talking about. I won't accept that Jimi Hendrix was a big influence on Prog, until I have solid proof that he was. I have never heard enough Hendrix influence in any prog song to justify his inclusion on this site as Proto-Prog, so I'm wondering how this person can say that Hendrix started the Prog movement. I'm also curious how he can consider Hendrix more influential to prog than The Beatles.


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I voted Yes, as proto-prog, but be aware:
 
If he is ever admitted in PA, chances are that the forum members and others would start adding enourmous number of compilations, live, semi-legal ottakes etc. Hendrix albums, while he officially released only five: (Are You Experienced, Axis:Bold as Love and Electric Ladyland with JHE trio, Band of Gypsys with the same trio and Cry of Love as solo).Ermm
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Originally posted by Seyo Seyo wrote:

I voted Yes, as proto-prog, but be aware:
 
If he is ever admitted in PA, chances are that the forum members and others would start adding enourmous number of compilations, live, semi-legal ottakes etc. Hendrix albums, while he officially released only five: (Are You Experienced, Axis:Bold as Love and Electric Ladyland with JHE trio, Band of Gypsys with the same trio and Cry of Love as solo).Ermm


Actually, there have been many more official releases lately, such as rarities compilations and a couple of live discs, but there are still tons more rubbish out there, sadly.
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Originally posted by Philйas Philйas wrote:

"I would say"

Well, obviously, he doesn't know what he's talking about. I won't accept that Jimi Hendrix was a big influence on Prog, until I have solid proof that he was. I have never heard enough Hendrix influence in any prog song to justify his inclusion on this site as Proto-Prog, so I'm wondering how this person can say that Hendrix started the Prog movement. I'm also curious how he can consider Hendrix more influential to prog than The Beatles.
 
Hmm... could "Hey Joe", covered by the newly born Deep Purple be an evidence Ermm...? Well; you can come up with two other Beatles songs DP also covered (around the same time!); but there might be more...
 
Apart from covers, Hendrix Experience was certainly a "psychedelic" band, and the effects of psychedelia over prog rock cannot be denied. I'd say "yes", to the extent that other bands are involved; so far Jefferson Airplane, Iron Butterfly and Beatles (despite all their poppines before '65) are here, so why not Jimi!?!? (also, why not for The Doors, The Who, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Grateful Dead, et al. either!)
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Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Better than all those vague folk, electronic, metal and progpop bands of the previous months .. Cry
 
De acordo! Smile

 
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Edited by Bilek - October 29 2006 at 16:10
Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Indeed, after adding progressive pop like The Beatles this site should add the late guitar genius Jimi Hendrix. His influence on the progrock guitarists is more substantial than the influence by The Beatles on progrock bands (the main reason for Chief M@X to add The Beatles to this site) so a big hand for Jimi on Prog Archives, Electric Ladyland rules Clap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
So does "Band of Gypsies"! . That album was also truly revolutionary ie: progressive and would deserve wider acceptance.
 
Including Hendrix is "make, or brake" for the Archives reputation as a genuine Prog site - as opposed to a well designed website that promotes preferred Prog artists and Neo-Prog wannabees.
Not forgetting that the much accepted Prog-Metal wouldn't exist without the inspiration Hendrix provided. Still, no-one has been able to successfully copy him, only coming close at times. 
Not likely to be Proto in that sense..., but the real article to this day. 
 
Think about it...  
 
 
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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Abstrakt Abstrakt wrote:

If, then he would need his own genre, "Blues Prog" together with "Cream", "Iron Butterfly" and others...

    

Yes, we could create a lof of sub genres in proto-prog, and so we could include Hendrix into psyche blues-rock or prog blues, Jefferson in "US psyche", etc...that would open the door to even more bands.
 
I'd see nothing wrong with that, but please drop that offensive Proto crap... that was mainly designed for the inclusion of the Beatles. I will never agree with such humiliating description to a number of other leading artists.
 
Hendrix was and is still Prog. Not Proto bullsh*t! Blues aside.... 
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I wouldn't mind seeing Jimi Hendrix and also Cream in proto prog, as they both developed psychedelia, and thus evolved the birth of progressive rock.
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Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

  I won't accept that Jimi Hendrix was a big influence on Prog, until I have solid proof that he was. I have never heard enough Hendrix influence in any prog song to justify his inclusion on this site as Proto-Prog, so I'm wondering how this person can say that Hendrix started the Prog movement. I'm also curious how he can consider Hendrix more influential to prog than The Beatles.
 
I am not sure if that's the case with you Phileas, but some people make an assessment on a "Best of" collection. Those are notoriously unrepresentative of an artist's true depth and tend focus on commercial success, ie: sales.
 
Hendrix provided inspiration to post-Beatles artists, offering a definitie psychedelic - and later more jazzy - flavour (Band of Gypsies), whilst he could play the Blues well, too. There is nothing wrong with that.
Many noted artists pay tribute to his legacy, Jaco Pastorius (Weather Report), John McLaughlin, Steve Morse (Deep Purple), The Kronos Quartet to name but a few.
Even Miles Davis was keen to record with him, only prevented by his untimely departure.
 
I am not one to talk you into Hendrix though, but you could be missing out... 
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^^Hendrix - Davis relationship is interesting, because Davis is said to have written the Mademoiselle Mabry track in Filles de Kilimanjaro album for Betty O. Mabry, who left him for Hendrix! Also, the same track is said to have quoted directly from Hendrix's "The Wind Cries Mary"...
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Originally posted by S Lang S Lang wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Abstrakt Abstrakt wrote:

If, then he would need his own genre, "Blues Prog" together with "Cream", "Iron Butterfly" and others...

    

Yes, we could create a lof of sub genres in proto-prog, and so we could include Hendrix into psyche blues-rock or prog blues, Jefferson in "US psyche", etc...that would open the door to even more bands.
 
I'd see nothing wrong with that, but please drop that offensive Proto crap... that was mainly designed for the inclusion of the Beatles. I will never agree with such humiliating description to a number of other leading artists.
 
Hendrix was and is still Prog. Not Proto bullsh*t! Blues aside.... 



hmmmm....  I think proto is the only possible valid reason to see Hendrix in... and that is a stretch as it is.  He was a revolutionary guitarist of course  but the music itself is simply not prog...  or really that much of an influence on prog as a whole.  His playing, and what he did for the guitar is reverered as it should be. Musically though... no way LOLWink
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Originally posted by S Lang S Lang wrote:

I am not sure if that's the case with you Phileas, but some people make an assessment on a "Best of" collection. Those are notoriously unrepresentative of an artist's true depth and tend focus on commercial success, ie: sales.
 
Hendrix provided inspiration to post-Beatles artists, offering a definitie psychedelic - and later more jazzy - flavour (Band of Gypsies), whilst he could play the Blues well, too. There is nothing wrong with that.
Many noted artists pay tribute to his legacy, Jaco Pastorius (Weather Report), John McLaughlin, Steve Morse (Deep Purple), The Kronos Quartet to name but a few.
Even Miles Davis was keen to record with him, only prevented by his untimely departure.
 
I am not one to talk you into Hendrix though, but you could be missing out... 


I own just about everything Hendrix has done. And I don't believe there's enough Prog in there to justify his inclusion as Proto-Prog.
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Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

Originally posted by S Lang S Lang wrote:

I am not sure if that's the case with you Phileas, but some people make an assessment on a "Best of" collection. Those are notoriously unrepresentative of an artist's true depth and tend focus on commercial success, ie: sales.
 
Hendrix provided inspiration to post-Beatles artists, offering a definitie psychedelic - and later more jazzy - flavour (Band of Gypsies), whilst he could play the Blues well, too. There is nothing wrong with that.
Many noted artists pay tribute to his legacy, Jaco Pastorius (Weather Report), John McLaughlin, Steve Morse (Deep Purple), The Kronos Quartet to name but a few.
Even Miles Davis was keen to record with him, only prevented by his untimely departure.
 
I am not one to talk you into Hendrix though, but you could be missing out... 


I own just about everything Hendrix has done. And I don't believe there's enough Prog in there to justify his inclusion as Proto-Prog.
 
 
Pleased to hear, but why bother spending money on something inferior.....?
To me, the Archives remains incomplete without the inclusion of Hendrix, Cream, etc. They did set the trend for Prog, as opposed to numerous Neo-Prog, Prog-Metal performers that are given undue prominence here, at the expense of genuine innovators.
 
I believe in "live and let live" and in that light, your dogged perseverence for exclusion is not very well received. I am sure that you could name a few that in your opinion don't belong here, but I don't recall such fierce opposition to them. Have I missed something?      


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Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:



"I would say"

Well, obviously, he doesn't know what he's talking about. I won't
accept that Jimi Hendrix was a big influence on Prog, until I have solid
proof that he was. I have never heard enough Hendrix influence in any prog song to
justify his inclusion on this site as Proto-Prog, so I'm wondering how
this person can say that Hendrix started the Prog movement. I'm also
curious how he can consider Hendrix more influential to prog than
The Beatles.



He says that Hendrix played psychedelic music and psychedelic music influenced prog.

He doesnt say that Hendrix started the "Prog movement".

If you are unaware of Hendrix's influence on modern rock music,especially heavy rock,psych and guitar-based Prog,then maybe you need to do some research before making bold statements of disbelief.


    
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