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Topic: YES: DRAMA vs 90125 LINE-UP Posted: June 02 2005 at 19:45 |
Hi Everybody,
At the time when “90125” was released, I read an interview with Trevor Rabin saying that formation of that album was better then the “DRAMA” line-up. Because the true soul of a band was the vocalist (Jon Anderson).
In my opinion (as I said once here in the forum) is : I think the TR Yes is not the true Yes. I think it`s a wonderful band, but not Yes.
I really think the DRAMA line-up is better. I think their sound is more the Yes sound.
So, what do you think is better: DRAMA or 90125 line-up ?
Best Greetings...
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 19:53 |
Drama is more YES and much better, IMO. In fact, from start the "90125-lineup" was supposed to be called "Cinema", but at the last moment they changed their minds and descided to call the NEW BAND, Yes instead. That says a lot
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 20:23 |
I'd take the Drama lineup as well. Trevor Horn's vocals were not
too different from Jon Anderson's, and as flowerchild pointed out,
Drama sounds a lot more like Yes than 90125.
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 20:28 |
I would have to say that Drama is more impressive than 90125. It seems that Yes and Genesis have something in common, when their most respected guitarist leaves, all the progressive-ness goes, too. After Drama, Yes became pop, Howe was the one keeping the Progressive sound alive.
Yes had to go all 80's King Crimson (who originally went by Discipline and changed it back to King Crimson) and change their name at the last minute from Cinema to Yes, too.
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 20:31 |
I pick the lineup from the Drama era Yes
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 20:35 |
Drama,
By far, I love that album. all those asses that say "oooh Anderson is Yes"..
Just listen to the bass and guitar on Drama, its incredible. |
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 21:00 |
90125 had a better producer, but Drama had better musicians.
I'll take Howe + Downes over Rabin + Kaye any day.
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 21:44 |
Is this a joke? Drama, of course.
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 21:45 |
I think Drama is absolutely better than 90125, and I go without any doubt for any band with Steve Howe instead of Trevor Rabin, but the truth is that Yes without Jon Anderson is not Yes.}
So Drama lineup is a better formation, even Trevor Horn has a better voice than Jon IMO, but doesn't sound like Yes, like somethoing wasmissing.
90125 is Yes, but one of the worst releases by the band along with Big Generator and Onion.
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 22:20 |
chalk up another one for Drama ... in a way I guess it means that at that juncture losing Howe for Rabin was a greater loss than losing Anderson for Horn ...
My favourite song off the two albums though is still 90125's Changes ... even though there are more impressive bits of music on Drama, I absolutely love that tune ...
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 02:09 |
My friends, I think this is like comparing apples and oranges. Both albums
are great in there own right. Drama has a much harder prog edge to it ... but
when It came out, the world was highly offended that purveyors of pop such
as The Buggles could sully a band like Yes.
Remarkably enough, almost the same outcries were heard when Trevor
Rabin joined the band.
The fact remains that both versions of the band created innovative, highly
original music. Hence, the Drama line-up and Rabin-era line-up both
deserve their much earned kudos. For both line-ups were historically
significant to the life of the band and the body of work it produced.
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 03:14 |
Good question!
I really dont like Trevor Horns voice on Drama, but I like his production on 90125. As far as the whole line up goes I'd rather have Howe on guitar than Rabin. Rabin is good, but he is NOT Yes!!
I'm going to be difficult and say I like both albums equally for different reasons. Drama is more of a 'Yes' album, albeit with the Buggles at the helm, and 90125 is a polished collection of good songs benefitting from Jon Andersons voice, but not really Yes...
Dont think I've really answered the question...but hey..
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 03:40 |
I'm extremely partial to Drama. I think it's Yes' most underrated and one of the best albums by anyone of the 1980s.
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 03:48 |
Hi everybody
The first Yes album I ever heard was 90125 and I liked it very much (I still do), especially "Owner of a lonely heart" (obviously), "Changes" and "Leave it".
In particular I simply love Trevor Rabin's voice.
I think that with that work Yes tried to step out of their cliché, and tried to give up some of the pretentiousness that could annoy wider audiences.
Then I heard Drama and to this day I still think this is the greatest album they ever came up with, and I realized that the "sound modification" process really started with the 1980 LP.
I think they both are very experimental for their own.
I furthermore am convinced that it is a good thing when prog rock can come down to terms with pop music: prog language not just for the initiated.
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 04:38 |
90125, no doubt!
Although I love the 2 Buggles albums, I don't think the combination Buggles / Yes worked out well. I love Tempus Fugit, but for the rest... Into The Lens is much better in the Buggles version (I Am A Camera on the "Adventures In Modern Recording" album) than on Drama.
I love 90125, but because of Trevor Horn, not because of Trevor Rabin. Horn is a much better producer than Rabin. I love 90125 a lot more than Big Generator.
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 05:14 |
I like Jon Anderson, but sometimes his goofy lyrics get the hell out of me.
By saying this I’m also saying that I do prefer the line up that did “Drama” than the one that made “90125”, although I like them both.
I do think that “Drama” is a better album.
The best album with the line up lead by Rabin is in my opinion “Talk”.
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 05:19 |
BiGi wrote:
Hi everybody
The first Yes album I ever heard was 90125 and I liked it very much (I still do), especially "Owner of a lonely heart" (obviously), "Changes" and "Leave it". In particular I simply love Trevor Rabin's voice.
I think that with that work Yes tried to step out of their cliché, and tried to give up some of the pretentiousness that could annoy wider audiences.
Then I heard Drama and to this day I still think this is the greatest album they ever came up with, and I realized that the "sound modification" process really started with the 1980 LP.
I think they both are very experimental for their own.
I furthermore am convinced that it is a good thing when prog rock can come down to terms with pop music: prog language not just for the initiated. |
Hi BiGi & welcome
Your views may be greeted with some hostility around here! 
Most Yes fans see Rabin as the anti Christ, in a similar way that Phil Collins was deemed to be the creative downfall of Genesis ( a bit unfair really) I respect your point of view, but have to disagree that it was a good thing that prog turned pop.
Out of interest, have you heard many other Yes albums? If not I would reccomend that you check out 'Close to the Edge' - their best IMO, and also 'Going for the One' the beginning of the modernisation of their sound, but still very progressive. I've never heard anyone say they think Drama is their best work.

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Posted: June 03 2005 at 05:32 |
Blacksword wrote:
Most Yes fans see Rabin as the anti Christ, in a similar way that Phil Collins was deemed to be the creative downfall of Genesis ( a bit unfair really) |
Ahem...actually my favourite Genesis albums are A trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering, although I love them all (they are my favourite band of all times)...
Blacksword wrote:
Out of interest, have you heard many other Yes albums? If not I would reccomend that you check out 'Close to the Edge' - their best IMO, and also 'Going for the One' the beginning of the modernisation of their sound, but still very progressive. I've never heard anyone say they think Drama is their best work. |
I have all their LPs from Yes to Magnification...and my favourite "long" track is Gates of Delirium!
(my preferences usually leave other prog lovers a little bit "astonished"...  )
I even think that Open your eyes is a very interesting album!
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 05:35 |
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 05:37 |
BiGi wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Most Yes fans see Rabin as the anti Christ, in a similar way that Phil Collins was deemed to be the creative downfall of Genesis ( a bit unfair really) | Ahem...actually my favourite Genesis albums are A trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering, although I love them all (they are my favourite band of all times)...
Blacksword wrote:
Out of interest, have you heard many other Yes albums? If not I would reccomend that you check out 'Close to the Edge' - their best IMO, and also 'Going for the One' the beginning of the modernisation of their sound, but still very progressive. I've never heard anyone say they think Drama is their best work. | I have all their LPs from Yes to Magnification...and my favourite "long" track is Gates of Delirium! (my preferences usually leave other prog lovers a little bit "astonished"... )
I even think that Open your eyes is a very interesting album! |
Hey, a fellow Genesis freak! Good to make contact! 
TOTT and WAW are two of my favourite prog albums of all time, and alongside Rush they are my top band.
It sounds like you have a healthy appreciation of both old and new prog.
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