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condor 
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 Posted: November 02 2006 at 08:49 |
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Someone used the fact TAAB was written 3 (actually 2) years before Red to suggest it was more significant. This makes no sene when you consider they are in totally different genres. In terms of significance, Red appears to win hands down. Red possibly influenced a whole genre, prog metal. TAAB only appears to have influenced A Passion Play and not much more.
Secondly, T.Rox suggests all this is opinion and therefore all opinions are equally valid. This is simply utter nonsense. I'm sorry if you don't suggest but this is all I could take from your mysterious suggestion that we are all entitled to our opnions. As far as I'm aware, this isn't an argument about free speech.
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Firepuck
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:08 |
OpethGuitarist, there have been some good suggestions for the next olympics. If I may, I have a couple of other ideas...
1. no albums in the PA top 100 allowed (multiple variants on this)
2. how about best song olympics
3. as mentioned, albums nominated in previous PO's not allowed
4. timeline olympics (ie 90's)
I had a great time with this and looked forward everyday to checking the status of the games. Regardless of which album wins (both are great and would be deserving winners IMO) I think that most people would agree that the games were well worth the exercise.
As a final note I want to say that there were several albums nominated that I haven't heard yet (which became somewhat of an issue during voting  ) and to those that wanted to expose members to their favourites perhaps they have succeeded in some small way - I for one have taken the bait and purchased 'Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden'  based on it's inclusion in the games and my ensuing reading of the reviews of the album.
Thanks again to OpethGuitarist!  |
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T.Rox
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:09 |
Condor, I respect your right to like Red more than TAAB.
At the same time you need to respect my right to value TAAB over Red.
We should be able to have a civil discussion on the subject in a fun thread without those who like TAAB being labelled "primitive" ... your word!
You have been in PA a very short time. Think about the damage you seem to be doing with your flippant comments.
'nuff said by me.
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"Without prog, life would be a mistake."
...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche
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T.Rox
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:11 |
 Firepuck wrote:
OpethGuitarist, there have been some good suggestions for the next olympics. If I may, I have a couple of other ideas...
1. no albums in the PA top 100 allowed (multiple variants on this)
2. how about best song olympics
3. as mentioned, albums nominated in previous PO's not allowed
4. timeline olympics (ie 90's)
I had a great time with this and looked forward everyday to checking the status of the games. Regardless of which album wins (both are great and would be deserving winners IMO) I think that most people would agree that the games were well worth the exercise.
As a final note I want to say that there were several albums nominated that I haven't heard yet (which became somewhat of an issue during voting ) and to those that wanted to expose members to their favourites perhaps they have succeeded in some small way - I for one have taken the bait and purchased 'Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden' based on it's inclusion in the games and my ensuing reading of the reviews of the album.
Thanks again to OpethGuitarist! |
I'll second Firepuck's "thanks"
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"Without prog, life would be a mistake."
...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche
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Firepuck
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:16 |
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Once again condor is spewing his opinions as facts. I would follow up with some derogatory remark but it would sink me to condor' level.
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Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks."
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:21 |
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As a side note, can we please close the tangent discussion on this thread. If you would like, make another thread about it, or PM a member about it, but please let's end the bickering in this thread here.
Thanks,
OG
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:24 |
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@ Firepuck
some nice suggestions, BePinkTheater suggested some things along similar lines, and I will probably go into discussions with a few people who were very active here(or just sent me advice) about what might be good ideas to venture into next.
I can guarantee you two things.
None of the albums on this olympics will be featured on the next one.
The competition will be set up very differently.
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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Firepuck
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 10:25 |
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Can't wait!
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Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks."
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: November 02 2006 at 18:43 |
As I saw this game on a different site, i think an important thing would be to limit it to only 32 entries so it works out evenly because I think the first round was a bit confusing.
Other than that, I hope the next one is as good as this one.
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Australian
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 00:41 |
condor wrote:
Someone used the fact TAAB was written 3 (actually 2) years before Red to suggest it was more significant. This makes no sene when you consider they are in totally different genres. In terms of significance, Red appears to win hands down. Red possibly influenced a whole genre, prog metal. TAAB only appears to have influenced A Passion Play and not much more.
Secondly, T.Rox suggests all this is opinion and therefore all opinions are equally valid. This is simply utter nonsense. I'm sorry if you don't suggest but this is all I could take from your mysterious suggestion that we are all entitled to our opnions. As far as I'm aware, this isn't an argument about free speech. |
This wouldn't have been an argument about anything if you hadn't said anything insulting.
Genres have absolutely nothing to do with it Con-man. If anything, TAAB was one of the first CONCEPT albums, now try and tell me that prog-metal bands haven't adopted concepts.
“This is simply utter nonsense”
Are you saying that your opinions are more valid than others?
TAAB: recorded December 1971 at Morgan Studios, London
RED: recorded July-August 1974
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Sasquamo
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 19:56 |
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Sorry I'm adding to the discussion, but I promise I won't say much more than this. (Unless something incredibly outrageous is said.)
Condor, you're being silly. Some of what you're saying is so absurd that I'm not sure whether you're serious or are just being a devil's advocate. True, maybe a book like The Sound and the Fury is better literature than Lord of the Rings, but I still like the latter better. In a poll of which is better literature, I would vote for The Sound and the Fury.
Look, this is not a poll about greatness, this is a poll about personal preference, so don't bring in all this stuff about which is a more masterful album. If this poll was about which was more of a masterpiece, maybe people would vote differently. BUT IT'S NOT!
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 01:40 |
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bump, last day to post your votes
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 01:41 |
com'on, Thick. 
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Pnoom!
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 01:42 |
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 02:00 |
Jethro Tull - Thick as a brick happy? i am an ignorant music fan who is emotionally inept, you see? 
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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condor
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 11:55 |
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"Genres have absolutely nothing to do with it Con-man. If anything, TAAB was one of the first CONCEPT albums, now try and tell me that prog-metal bands haven't adopted concepts."
Er...Concept albums had been around many years before TAAB. TAAB was a spoof concept album. I haven't noticed many prog metal artists producing 45-minute tracks or spoof concept albums.
“This is simply utter nonsense”
Are you saying that your opinions are more valid than others?
It's irrelevant who's opinions they are. Some opinions are more valid than others. I don't consider the opinions "Anthony Eden was a better Prime Minister than Clement Atlee", "Eden and Atlee were equally good Prime Ministers" and "it's all down to personal taste" valid. Culture isn't somehow inherently exempt from judgements. If it was, it would never progress.
"TAAB: recorded December 1971 at Morgan Studios, London
RED: recorded July-August 1974"
Sorry, I took it from release dates.
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Drew
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Posted: November 04 2006 at 12:00 |
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TULL!!!!!
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