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OpethGuitarist 
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Joined: June 25 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1655 |
 Posted: October 20 2006 at 12:35 |
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That is more and more why I have shifted myself from writing more polished reviews and worrying less about what I rate it.
Albeit I am not on the level of some people. But the real works of art we have here will never do well as the fanboys will overwhelm the rating system. |
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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Easy Livin
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: October 19 2006 at 09:35 |
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I have checked out the Beatles and Landberk.
There is no evidence of manipulation for either, the ratings appear to be genuine. They are not necessarily by the same person in each case. I won't take action simply because someone disagrees with someone else's opinion.
The case highlighted previously, which extended well beyond just the two bands mentioned, was a clear case of systematic abuse.
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Toccata
Forum Newbie 
Joined: November 16 2005 Location: Lithuania Status: Offline Points: 24 |
Posted: October 19 2006 at 06:16 |
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Good to hear
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Eetu Pellonpaa
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 17 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 4828 |
Posted: October 19 2006 at 04:16 |
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This has also been done for the discography of LANDBERK.
YES! They are not a content which would benefit the site!  Edited by Eetu Pellonpää - October 19 2006 at 04:20 |
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Peter
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
Posted: October 18 2006 at 22:41 |
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Yep -- ratings without reviews should have been scrapped two years ago. Edited by Peter Rideout - October 19 2006 at 00:29 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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Angelo
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
Posted: October 18 2006 at 17:51 |
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Not sure, given your last message to Rico - but if this question was directed at me: no way, just add Toccata to the team!  |
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ISKC Rock Radio
I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
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Ricochet
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: October 18 2006 at 16:10 |
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I considered that one rhetorical.  |
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Easy Livin
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: October 18 2006 at 16:08 |
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I panicked there Rico, I thought you were responding to my post above!
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Ricochet
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: October 18 2006 at 16:05 |
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Easy Livin
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: October 18 2006 at 16:01 |
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You mean Atkingani and I are sacked?!
 
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Angelo
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
Posted: October 18 2006 at 15:33 |
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I vote Toccata for Reviews Moderator!
 Actually, I've been wondering how it is possible that TAAB has dropped 5 places in about a month's time.....  |
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ISKC Rock Radio
I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
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Peter
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
Posted: October 18 2006 at 15:23 |
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Wow.
What a bunch of little tools!
 Ratings are a crock, anyway.
Ignore them -- read a good review, or sample the album.  Edited by Peter Rideout - October 18 2006 at 15:24 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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Easy Livin
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: October 18 2006 at 15:02 |
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I am deeply indebted to you Toccata!
I don't know how you spotted it, but further investigation revealed a systematic and significant attempt to manipulate the ratings.
I won't say anything about the "evidence" but it revealed a clear and unambiguous action over a period of time.
It has now been dealt with.
M@x has promised that mandatory forum log in to rate and review albums is coming soon.
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Toccata
Forum Newbie
Joined: November 16 2005 Location: Lithuania Status: Offline Points: 24 |
Posted: October 18 2006 at 08:16 |
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What happens when kids start joining for a vote in PA? We can see it clearly in a recent example which involves Dream Theatre “Scenes…” and Tool “Lateralus”. Just look at numbers: October 01: DT – rank 20, rtg 4,23, votes 432 and Tool – rank 26, rtg 4,36, votes 207. October 18: DT – rank 27, rtg 4,20, votes 444 and Tool – rank 20, rtg 4,37, votes 218. In a meantime: DT had 1 reviewer (with 5 rtg) and 11 “voters”, Tool had 1 special collaborator’s review (with 4 rtg) and 10 “voters”. (10 an 11 votes for these bands in a two and a half weeks period are twice as much as in two whole previous months). To have such a dramatic change there should be a series of extremely negative votes for DT (with average of 2,9) and lots of 5 stars in a row for Tool (with average of 4,6). Which normally is very unlikely to happen. And this is what I would call a really big abuse. |
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crimson thing
Forum Senior Member 
Joined: April 28 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 848 |
Posted: June 05 2006 at 02:55 |
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With great respect, mystic fred, I'm not sure what knowledge is required to be "qualified" to give a review? I know a fair amount (but certainly don't claim to be an expert) about one particular band, and have picked up bits and pieces about others over the years. However, I would not feel "unqualified" to write a review of an album by a band whose history was unlnown to me. If I've listened to the album more than once, that's enough surely? (The only reason I haven't reviewed yet, is that I fear the power would be addictive & I wouldn't know where to stop......... |
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"Every man over forty is a scoundrel." GBS
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mystic fred
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 13 2006 Location: Londinium Status: Offline Points: 4252 |
Posted: June 05 2006 at 02:41 |
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as i am a fan of the Beatles, have followed them since 1963, i appreciate their historical importance and would rate most Beatles albums highly, with such knowledge i would feel qualified to give an objective review, this also goes for Art rock/Psyche-Space rock/Metal. i am not a fan of Canterbury prog, never have been and dislike the music so i do not feel qualified to give those albums a fair review - so i won't!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: June 03 2006 at 23:14 |
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I agree witth you, but that's not the point, I would rate Help or Hard Days Night with no more than two stars if I'm in good mood, because IMO is just lollypop music, I'm entitled to my opinion if I support it.
What I hate is that some of us put all our effort in adding a band, making a bio (After searching for data in the most strange places), taking the tedious work of adding the Discography (Some bands have 20 or 30 albums) and just after that we make a careful review of an album we love dearly just to find somebody has rated it with one star while you were adding the other albums without saying a fu**ing word.
Believe me, this is frustrating, I honestly don't know if the guy has even listened the album or just wants to be the first to rate it.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 03 2006 at 23:15 |
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Atkingani
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
Posted: June 03 2006 at 23:11 |
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Part of the solution is that ratings are ponderated now... one rating backed by a valid review weighs more than one rating without a review.
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Wilcey
Forum Senior Member
VIP Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2696 |
Posted: June 03 2006 at 18:36 |
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It's a good system we have here, but there is abuse of the system from time to time.
Whilst i agree that with some of the main albums a few manipulative 1* ratings really make no odds, they really do make a difference with releases that have few reviews...
I have noticed on a couple of titles whilst the reviews are pretty good the album has a poor rating...........because of the 1*trolls at work.
Giving a rating without a review is great in principle for our many non-english speakers, but it does give the bad guys a back door for havoc.
unfortunately it is a subject that will go around and around, I don't see an easy soloution........
but those 1* idiots really cheese me off!........plain cowardice, hiding behind a rule that was set up in the system for all the good reasons.
P-C
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Tristan Mulders
Prog Reviewer
Joined: September 28 2004 Status: Offline Points: 1723 |
Posted: June 03 2006 at 18:21 |
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I for one only vote when I can upload a review with the vote...
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Interested in my reviews?
You can find them HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
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