Which is best - vinyl or CD ?

oliverstoned wrote: Real hifi is way beyond everything in studio!

Honestly, I'm getting tired of the same discussion over and over again. Fact is that there is one huge problem that subjectivist have in their reasoning:

Most audiophiles aren't able to tell sources apart (vinyl/CD) in properly conducted listening tests, but still claim that there is an "obvious" difference in quality.

Doesn't make much sense to continue discussing the difference between vinyl and CD under these circumstances, does it?

Heavyfreight wrote: oliverstoned wrote: Real hifi is way beyond everything in studio! How do you think that the audio gets from the instruments to your precious vinyl then? Clue: it's done in a STUDIO!

I was talking about your playback experience in studio...
Through solidstate amp, using poor cables ("Monster cables" at best), etc...
There are some good stuffs in studio as well (good monitor speakers, power filtering devices such as "The black box").
I own some (old)studio sources such as my tapedecks Naka1000 and Studer A710.
For example, my digital setup (Sonic frontiers + Goldmund + Nordost cable) is beyond what they use for radio broadcast (Studer CD decks).


    
    

Edited by oliverstoned - October 12 2006 at 04:29

oliverstoned wrote: "Most audiophiles aren't able to tell sources apart (vinyl/CD) in properly conducted listening tests, but still claim that there is an "obvious" difference in quality." That what your stupid article written by jealous says.

whatever!

BTW:

1. The article was written by a respected audiophile, and the wikipedia page is very objective - it explains both motives of objectivists and subjectivists, and doesn't draw any conclusions.
2. You clearly didn't read the wikipedia page, as it points out that there are many audiophiles who prefer CD over vinyl. Those who continue to cling to vinyl as the ultimate medium are called "subjectivists", and that really describes them well. They only accept their own opinion, and will not listen to objective reasoning.
3. No objectivist is jealous of your hi-fi system. Why should they be - they're convinced that their own system sounds good. In fact they're rather amused about your system (power line filters, voodoo cables etc) than jealous.
   

oliverstoned wrote: BTW, "Rega planar 3" were used for Radio broacast before "the whole numeric" era!

oliverstoned wrote: Heavyfreight wrote: oliverstoned wrote: Real hifi is way beyond everything in studio! How do you think that the audio gets from the instruments to your precious vinyl then? Clue: it's done in a STUDIO! I was talking about your playback experience in studio... Through solidstate amp, using poor cables ("Monster cables" at best), etc... There are some good stuffs in studio as well (good monitor speakers, power filtering devices such as "The black box"). I own some (old)studio sources such as my tapedecks Naka1000 and Studer A710. For example, my digital setup (Sonic frontiers + Goldmund + Nordost cable) is beyond what they use for radio broadcast (Studer CD decks).

Edited by Heavyfreight - October 12 2006 at 05:21

"This leads to a "warmer" sound because the hf gets rolled off. I don't disagree that the sound may be more pleasant to the ear but it isn't as accurate as a well built semiconductor amplifier."
Distorsion is THEORICALLY higher on tube amps indeed, but actually distors far less than solidtate when listening. A solidstate is unable to reproduce a trumpet without harshness, the highs goes far better on tubes, like analog versus numeric. It's due to pair/unpair harmonics issues.
A good tube amp is not warm but neutral and far closer to the real music than a harsh transistor which breaks the ears in the highs.
However a GOOD solidstate is better in the LOW, that's why a bi-amp is the royal way.

About cable and connectic, it does a HUGE difference, precisly when you use tube and great sources which enables to hear these not-subtle differences.




    
    

Edited by oliverstoned - October 12 2006 at 05:37

^ sorry, but why do listening tests then show that the audiophiles cannot tell the cables apart? These tests are conducted with systems which the audiophiles approve of - you're always ignoring that fact!

Trumpets do sound harsh in real life.  By using a tube amp you are effectively putting in a slight hf filter so the sound will be more pleasing to the ear.  There is a danger with high quality digital recording that you do remove the natural filtering and hear everything.

Now there are cheap musical integrated CD players (mainly english brands) such as Nad, Rotel, Rega, Naim, Creek, etc...but it's ridiculous versus a good vinyl deck in terms of PERFORMANCES (dynamic, details soundstage) as well as pleasure and emotion.
Like a good 70's Mc Intosh tuner (there are not good ones anymore these days unfortunatly)explodes very big CD setups.
    

Edited by oliverstoned - October 12 2006 at 05:58