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tuxon 
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 Posted: September 27 2006 at 20:50 |
My vote will always be a firm yes, maybe not prog as main style, but underneath his songwriting there' always been an aspect of chalenging new things.
But the problem lies in the description of progressive music, and how people perceive it. Like mentioned before as long as people insist on making cases for bands based on their likeleness with other bands who are included, than I say be exclusive, rather than inclusive.
When the time comes and bands are judged purely and entirelly on their own merits, Bowie would be my first choice, I love the dude for what he created, and would love to see him here.
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kebjourman
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Posted: September 27 2006 at 21:53 |
David Bowie!
yes!
here here!
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Arsillus
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Posted: September 27 2006 at 21:54 |
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Bowie is excellent. He was always ahead of his time.
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Kleynan
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Posted: September 27 2006 at 21:55 |
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On wikipedia he is listed under art-rock...
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Certif1ed
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Posted: September 28 2006 at 03:18 |
 Peter Rideout wrote:
Once we started including artists along the lines of "Well, X are in here, and Y don't sound too much different," the site was bound to grow and mutate almost beyond recognition. (Y leads to Z, etc.)
Categorizing something that's as tied to individual response as music is, is very problematic. "Prog" is such an artificial, restrictive notion! How many musicians (these days) embrace the term? Precious few! Now why is that? [IMG]height=17 alt="Stern Smile" src="smileys/smiley22.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>[
Speaking from a purely intellectual perspective, (perhaps not a practical, economic or emotional one) I still think a name change for the Archives is warrented, in the long run.
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I think the name ProgArchives is fine - we've been moving towards Progressive Music as opposed to Progressive Rock for a very long time - pretty much right from the inception.
For example, Progressive Metal is NOT a type of Progressive Rock - it is a different sort of music, being based largely on riffs.
However, that can only be a good thing, as being inclusive leads to fans of one band discovering others - and keeping the old music alive (as it so rightly deserves).
I agree that the reduction "Prog" is ambiguous as well as personally restrictive - but as a simple shortening of the term "progressive", it works well. And when journalists use the term "Prog Rock", I always think of the "dinosaurs" with affection, as a fan of the music. Who cares about cheap jibes from those who haven't got it yet?
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 28 2006 at 04:28 |
Bowie is not really progressive in the sense that we are interested in the site.
And he was never art rock (he was Glam Rock or glitter rock) until some idiotic journalist started rewriting music's history, lumping all these glam "arty (as in artsy-farsty)" artistes (Mott and Roxy) and wanting to give them more credibility.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: September 28 2006 at 08:17 |
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With hindsight, it's quite obvious that his music fits the Art Rock description better than "Glam" or "Glitter" rock.
That fashion passed away decades ago, and Bowie moved on - many, many times. His recent music has little in common with T-Rex, The Glitter Band, The Sweet, Slade or any of that crowd.
His constant re-invention and willingess to experiment puts him firmly in Art Rock.
Edited by Certif1ed - September 28 2006 at 08:17
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cuncuna
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Posted: September 28 2006 at 11:27 |
Certif1ed wrote:
With hindsight, it's quite obvious that his music fits the Art Rock description better than "Glam" or "Glitter" rock.
That fashion passed away decades ago, and Bowie moved on - many, many times. His recent music has little in common with T-Rex, The Glitter Band, The Sweet, Slade or any of that crowd.
His constant re-invention and willingess to experiment puts him firmly in Art Rock.
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More important: he's not stuck on the past. His recent colaboration with Trent Reznor produced an incredible album. His constant dedication to grow within his own art is the reason why he is not extinct as creator, while other musicians insist in keep emulating a decade that is long gone already.
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Phil
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Posted: September 29 2006 at 09:05 |
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"Heroes" and "Low" both of which feature Eno are great albums and I think warrant a "progressive" tag. The rest of his work is great but not prog.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 29 2006 at 09:19 |
Certif1ed wrote:
With hindsight, it's quite obvious that his music fits the Art Rock description better than "Glam" or "Glitter" rock.
That fashion passed away decades ago, and Bowie moved on - many, many times. His recent music has little in common with T-Rex, The Glitter Band, The Sweet, Slade or any of that crowd.
His constant re-invention and willingess to experiment puts him firmly in Art Rock.
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You do have a point. I always consider Bowie's oeuvre mainly under his 70's glam thing and the last album I really heard (against my will I must say) is that horrible Let's Dance. But nowadays, that period represent a small percebtage of his total works.
I've heard bits and pieces on the radio after the mid-80's, but it is very limited compared to his entire later discography. I am not so sure that he was that experimental, though, he tried to be alternative (not in the indie rock sense, though) for sure, though!!
as for Glam (which was used loosely after that period which ended roughly with Punk's arrival) it seems that there is a revival lately
then there was also that glam metal scene in the second part of the 80's which was also called HairMetal
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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WaywardSon
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Posted: September 29 2006 at 11:08 |
Seems like this thread is in the wrong place and should be in the Suggest new bands section.
But really., there have been tons of "Is Bowie Prog?" threads.
I think we spend far too much time on categorisations, and not enough time talking about the artist.
I also believe he is Art Rock or Prog Related in some way.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 30 2006 at 05:53 |
But somehow I could not possibly imagine Bowie really included.
Should he be, it should not be in a full blown prog category. >> prog-related at best as is Roxy Music
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Raff
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Posted: September 30 2006 at 06:03 |
WaywardSon wrote:
Seems like this thread is in the wrong place and should be in the Suggest new bands section.
But really., there have been tons of "Is Bowie Prog?" threads.
I think we spend far too much time on categorisations, and not enough time talking about the artist.
I also believe he is Art Rock or Prog Related in some way. |
Point well taken, Greg - and thread moved! 
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Posted: September 30 2006 at 19:37 |
I have an idea, how about we work on the inclusion of bands already on the master list before suggesting anyone new.
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micky
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Posted: September 30 2006 at 19:48 |
Australian wrote:
I have an idea, how about we work on the inclusion of bands already on the master list before suggesting anyone new.
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hmmmm.....
nah.... 
what master list?.... we just add them when we find them...
discussion is a good thing 
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The Wizard
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Posted: September 30 2006 at 19:51 |
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Prog or not, David Bowie kicks ass.
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Australian
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Posted: September 30 2006 at 20:35 |
I heard master list some where, probably dreamt of it or something 
Oh well its not my problem anyway...carry on
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yesfan88
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 19:03 |
The Wizard wrote:
Prog or not, David Bowie kicks ass. |
Yes! And I think he's prog-related. He's quite experimental.
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Leningrad
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 23:54 |
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I just got a Bowie CD two days ago, and it rules.
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Posted: October 04 2006 at 07:36 |
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one of the greatest artists of 20th century!
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