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Points: 748 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2006 at 03:06
Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Originally posted by zbida zbida wrote:

FIRST DIVISION. With no doubt.Approve
 
Mirage, Snow Goose and Moonmadness are classic.
 
Darkshade - don't waste a minute! Buy A Nod And A Wink - some regard this is their return to "roots".
 
I've heard that Latimer, Ward and Ferguson made a new material lately. What a surprise! I can't wait to listen to it.
And hats off to Pete Bardens...Unhappy RiP.
 
Listening to The Snow Goose as I type... what a great album!
 
New material from the original guys?  This is great news!!!  Where did you hear that?
 
I've heard this from Camelproductions.
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New Camel music? Righteous!
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Points: 1484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2006 at 09:25
Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Originally posted by Camel_APPeal Camel_APPeal wrote:

Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

 
I have : Mirage 
           Snow Goose
           Moonmadness
 
Which do you suggest I buy next ?
 
 
OK, you can get Nude as you're already planning to, but you may also enjoy Rajaz or Nod and a Wink.
 
Their 80's stuff might be weaker than their earlier and later work, but I think it's better than most of the 80's works of other prog greats!
 
 
 
Listened to one song from both Rajaz and Nod & a Wink, and I will get both for sure, after Nude.
 
I partly agree with camel appeal... their '80's stuff are indeed boring Dead in fact, I'd say even those three you mentioned before are enough for a serious prog collection Wink! They simply lost their magic after Moonmadness, probably due to departure of Doug Ferguson... I really don't understand one man, even an insignificant one in songwriting, can change the style so much.
 
Nevertheless, I recommend you to have a look at these albums, they are not great IMHO, but I still enjoy them...
self titled debut: especially important to track down the development of this impoırtant band
Harbour of Tears: after a series of dull albums throught the '80's, this is a great refreshment! the style is completely different, and even the music hardly qualifies as "Camel", but a very decent modern times prog album...
Rajaz: Even better than the previous one! Shows close approaching to their classic style... I think it would qualify one of the "prog re-awakening" albums of '99...
Nod and a Wink: I sometimes get bored listening to this (no wonder, I haven't listened to it for over a year!) but the music is by no means bad... "different" at the very best...
Rain Dances: If Moonmadness is the last great Camel album (ideas vary, as you all know Wink!), this one is the last "good" one before Harbour in my book.
 
P.S. I just checked to confirm Ferguson's name from the band's homepage, and found out what I have just written matches up with the original info given for the band! Even the representative albums, which are determined automatically by ratings!!! check it out: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=50
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Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Points: 428 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2006 at 15:27
Originally posted by Bilek Bilek wrote:

 
They simply lost their magic after Moonmadness, probably due to departure of Doug Ferguson... I really don't understand one man, even an insignificant one in songwriting, can change the style so much.
 
 
It wasn't the departure of Doug Ferguson alone what changed their style; it was the inclusion of Richard Sinclair that gave the band another direction. A direction I really enjoy as much as the previous line up, btw! Wink
 
In other words, the departure of a non-songwriting member and the arrival of an active songwriter will definitely change the style of a band!
 

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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2006 at 03:27
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I used to like them, but they didn't stand the test of time with me. today they simply bore me. in lack of a better term it is probably because they are too "harmless"

    
I think that says more about the listener than the band
The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I used to like them, but they didn't stand the test of time with me. today they simply bore me. in lack of a better term it is probably because they are too "harmless"

    
I think that says more about the listener than the band
 
and the listener is damn wiseLOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2006 at 08:00
Originally posted by Bilek Bilek wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I used to like them, but they didn't stand the test of time with me. today they simply bore me. in lack of a better term it is probably because they are too "harmless"
      I think that says more about the listener than the band [IMG]smileys/smiley2.gif" align=middle>

 

and the listener is damn wise[IMG]height=17 alt=LOL src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>!!!!!!!!!!!


For being bored of Camel?

That doesn't sound very wise to me
The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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You can get bored of anything...
 
Camel seems more likely, especailly when you eventually move into more avant-garde genres... I admit I still enjoy their first four albums + more recent material; but I simply don't have the desire to listen to them (even the magnificent Moonmadness) unless I have a stimulator... Like this thread; after I posted I went home and listened from Harbour of Tears onwards Wink
Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Camel, in my opinion was great with Ferguson. When Sinclair came into the band it was just as good as before, it just had a different (more complex and cultured) style. I prefer Rain Dances to The Snow Goose in all honesty. It's all a matter of perspective.
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I can't find Rajaz, can anyone tell me where to find it?
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Get "A Live Record" for a superior version of Snow Goose, preformed with the The London Symphony Orchestra!!!!!!

What's yer faovrite album? =^_^=
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Points: 6336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 14:24
I think Camel gets talked about quite a bit. Specially in polls... but, what do I know...
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Camel is one of my favorite bands.  I like everything from the first album up through Rain Dances.  Of the newer ones I ilke Rajaz, The Paris Collection, and A Nod and a Wink.  Melody is what I find most attractive in any music (which is a bit ironic because I have been a drummer for almost all my life).  Camel's music is beautifully melodic.  Peace.
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Points: 15535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 20:50
I just got a Camel cd. I got Moonmadness on a recommendation and I love it. Soon I will get Snow Goose and Mirage. After that, I don't know.
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 20:55
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

I wonder who thinks of them as second division, I think everybody loves Camel, so with no antagonists there will be no heated discussions around them.

 
Don't hate them but honestly Camel works as Ativan with me, sends me to sleep.
 
I tried, honestly I tried to like them, bought the self toitled and Moonmadnes but both are plain boring for my taste.
 
I really don't like to disloike Prog bands but taste is something hard to control.
 
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I've been on a Camel kick lately. I have Never Let Go and Breathless on order, but did get A Live Record, Coming Of Age--both are tremendous. The ones I have are Mirage, Moonmadness, Snowgoose, Rain Dances, Stationary Traveler, and A Nod And A Wink.

Now, we are traveling to Wisconsin for Christmas and plan to hit Rush Mor Records on Wednesday. Guys, if you ever go to Milwaukee, you have to go to Rush Mor. The owner is a prog nut and specializes in stocking good prog (I spent $150 there last year). I've contacted them and they do have Camel's remastered debut and Nude in stock...which I'm buying. Hoping to get a Camel DVD, too.

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I like Camel. I think it may be my favorite symphonic prog band from the 70's. I'm thinking in ordering A Live Record this christmas if there's money left from all of my mom's shopping raves.

Their recent studio albums are also great.  A Nod and a Wink, Rajaz, The Harbour of Tears are all excellent albums. I personally enjoy A Nod and a Wink more since it sounds very playful like music for one's childhood or something similar.

Anyways, great band. Thumbs Up

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I gotta be missing something.

I really mean it.

Man... My buddy Ray Kazinski wuz trying to get me into these guys in 75'.

I've had SG and MM since they were new records.

I tried. I really did. I even got stoned out of my gourd a few times and tried to like them.

Boring. Boring. Boring. Sounds like a bunch of cats who can't cut the mustard as a fusion band.

Sorry. I'm going to try again soon. Last try approx. Oct. 2006.

Still sounded like dreadful fusion band.

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Points: 15535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 21:33
Maybe your missing the ability to like it. It was weird for my first listen but I liked it after that. I guess it was because no one was trying to get me to like it and I was not expecting anything.
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Camel in my eyes is one of the giants of prog. I prefer them to Yes, and I enjoy Latimers extensive array of styles and cultures. The first four were fantastic, and even the transitional albums were excellent. "Song Within a Song" "The Snow Goose" and "Unevensong" are all classics. I'd say my favorite albums are Rain Dances and the more recent Rajaz. Camel still produces excellent music today. They are definately up to the caliber of giants like The Moody Blues, Genesis, Pink Floyd, ELP, and Gentle Giant.
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