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Danielle
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 17:30 |
I never realized that females usually stay away from prog, but then again, I don't talk to many girls, so I wouldn't know. Personally, I started listening to prog because I got sick of death metal and black metal (which is much less feminine than prog) because I wanted something more melodic and listenable. I used to be a HUGE Opeth fan, so that opened the door for me, leading me to discover more and more prog bands. Another reason that I love this genre is because I'm a musician of sorts, so I have the utmost respect for anyone who can create such masterpieces as most prog songs are.
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eugene
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 17:38 |
I know some women who like prog, and can't understand why the should not.
On the other hand none of the women I know participates in any internet forums.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 17:41 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
I've noticed that, in the past few days, quite a few fellow women have joined the PA forum - hopefully to stay for a while and not just disappear into thin air immediately afterwards. In the past, there have been several threads and polls about why women can't get into prog, some of them descending into gratuitous, sexist stereotypes about women being only interested in 'mating' music like all kinds of dance music. I thought it was time to have a thread dedicated to the opposite situation, i.e. women like me and others here who do like prog, and have for some time. I, for instance, have never been able to stand either dance music or, even worse, traditional 'female' music such as romantic pop songs, and have been into classic rock, prog and even metal for as long as I can remember. I suppose all the women who frequent these forums have a similar story to tell. Of course, guys are welcome to come here and discuss their own experiences with prog-loving ladies. So, what do you think makes a woman go for such an 'unwomanly' genre as prog, instead of piling up the Celine Dion or Barry White CDs?
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And what, pray tell, is wrong with Barry White?!!
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Peter
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 17:41 |
Oh! Why do women like PROG....
They like it because of its cute name, its impressive length, and because Hugues Chantraine likes it, of course!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Peter
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 17:52 |
Seriously though, statistically, aren't men more likely to be serious music fans, in whatever genre, than women? (Look around you in a record or hi fidelity store.)
I imagine, as was said above, that the ample beauty to be found in (real) prog helps draw some ladies, too.
It was at first the "weirdness" and power that attracted me to prog, BTW, but the beauty that got me really hooked -- I love those acoustic passages in old Genesis & PFM, etc! Long live my "sensitive" side!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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YYZed
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 19:48 |
Whoever said that prog appeals to the "dorky" side of men I think hit it on the head.
In the way that men are naturally more interested in mechanics, technology and the like, I think they tend to be attracted to technically superior music. I think it is much easier for men to listen to complex music and be grabbed by it, if only for that technicallity. Of course, just as there are exceptions to everything we say about the tendencies and personalities of men and women, there are women who enjoy prog. Good for them.
It's prog. Hooray prog!
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Reverie
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 21:27 |
I don't think men are naturally interested in mechanics etc. I think it's more of a case of that's how guys are raised. That's the mould, if you see what i mean. It's just been that guys are brought into the world expecting to be hands on kind of people, and women caring and empathic. Maybe that's what you meant though. Thankfully i think this is deteriorating more and more as time progresses. But you may have a point YYZed. It's an interesting idea.
Well anyway, i used to be a complete metal head, and i still enjoy heavy metal, and am in a heavy metal band. And i can safely say that there are PLENTY of females who like metal. Hell, the bassist in my band is a chick, and we have an interested vocalist who is a chick (yeah, a chick death metal singer, and she does it very well).
I was at a Dark Tranquillity (melodic death metal) gig last night, and while males may have made up the percentages, there were a vast array of females as well.
So that kind of supports that those moulds are expanding i think, and that women don't just listen to dance music and love ballads at all. I know metal is not (necessarily) prog, but the principle is the same.
Edited by Reverie - September 19 2006 at 21:27
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mickstafa
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 21:50 |
YYZed wrote:
Whoever said that prog appeals to the "dorky" side of men I think hit it on the head.
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That was me
YYZed wrote:
In the way that men are naturally more interested in mechanics, technology and the like, I think they tend to be attracted to technically superior music. I think it is much easier for men to listen to complex music and be grabbed by it, if only for that technicallity. Of course, just as there are exceptions to everything we say about the tendencies and personalities of men and women, there are women who enjoy prog. Good for them.
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Yep. I can't speak for everyone, but the love (obsession?) for prog is similar kind of feeling I have for all my other typical guy (and somewhat dorky) passions.
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Arrrghus
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 21:51 |
mickstafa wrote:
Many women just don't listen to
highly technical music for that sake alone like we do.
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Most of the time, that is typical. However, I know many women musicians who listen to classical music (some of which can be much more challenging than prog). The biggest problem is the brainwashing: before music became corporate-driven, women listened to pretty much the same as men. For example, my grandmother listened to jazz (Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, Duke Ellington) in the 30s and 40s.
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mickstafa
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 21:53 |
Arrrghus wrote:
For example, my grandmother listened to jazz (Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, Duke Ellington) in the 30s and 40s. |
I'm no Jazz expert (I'm just now getting into Weather report, Mahavishnu and Miles Davis) but from what I hear Jazz seems like a great mixture for technical precision (men) and music you can tap your foot to/dance to (women). Note these are generalizations, not sexist remarks!!!
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Leningrad
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 22:55 |
Well, let's see if Dr. Cham can solve this one.
Well, whereas many years ago, prog was what was hip. It was, generally, pretty cool to like it. Men and women both liked it (My mother's seen Yes and Genesis, and was a King Crimson fan). Now, in the modern world, prog is quite an underground genre, and due to its technical nature, frowned upon, because people have been dumbed down by crappy mainstream pop-punk/emo/rap... etc. Now, it's also true that girls have gotten...well, skankier these days, for a lack of a better term. No, not all, but you should see my high school. Generally, these girls want to be cool and get boyfriends, and since most teenage boys are unbelievably shallow, they don't want to be nerdy or uncool. Now, what's going to make them seem more popular - Today's #1 hits about sex, violence and assault, or a 20 minute ode to The Lord of the Rings?
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yesfan88
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 23:37 |
Being a woman, it has frequently perplexed me that most women don't like prog. I really don't understand why, especially because some prog sounds very feminine. Yes and Renaissance are my two favorite bands, but they are also favorites of my best friend who is male, and who got me into prog in the first place.
I have noticed that it doesn't seem to be a gender thing so much as nobody my age is willing to listen to complicated music, or indeed, read a book.
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"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"- Evelyn Beatrice Hall
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Bastille Dude
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 23:49 |
I am very fortunate that my wife not only tolerates most of my music, but actually likes some of it. Because of me she loves Pink Floyd, Rush, Yes, Marillion, Genesis, Jethro Tull and Gentle Giant.
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DEATH TO FALSE PROG!
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 23:53 |
Chameleon wrote:
Now, what's going to make them seem more popular - Today's #1 hits about sex, violence and assault, or a 20 minute ode to The Lord of the Rings? |
The 20 minute ode to LotR of course.
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Drew
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 23:57 |
What are women?
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Leningrad
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 23:58 |
Now, I would definitely agree... but would people who only care about their image?
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stonebeard
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:02 |
Drew wrote:
What are women? |
I'll create a poll.
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Peter
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:04 |
stonebeard wrote:
Drew wrote:
What are women? |
I'll create a poll. |
That's pole.
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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stonebeard
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:06 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Drew wrote:
What are women? |
I'll create a poll. |
That's pole. |
I already have one of those. No need to make a new one.
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Drew
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:07 |
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