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Topic: Darkest 70's Prog Album Posted: September 15 2006 at 10:06 |
There is a lot of different kinds of darkness and expressions on this list. If you have another dark favorite, please write which one. Some of you might miss Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, ELP, Rush but I just find them too sunny and lighthearted compared to most of these. You're also welcome to disagree on my inclusions.
Which album do you consider 70's prog's dark masterpiece?
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 10:08 |
Tie between "Ys" and "First Utterance", as far as I'm concerned. I voted for the latter, though, which I found really disturbing - and musically quite wonderful as well.
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 10:11 |
can you explain what album of Ash Ra Tempel is called "Same"? the "dark" meaning is pretty much voiled. and as I am welcome to disagree on your inclusions, thank you for that , I saw Animals' not dark, Pawn Hearts' not darkest of VdGG, A Passion Play isn't dark, 666's not dark, In Camera's not dark enough. I don't know what to vote.
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 10:22 |
Well, Univers Zero's Heresie is quite possibly the darkest album I have ever heard, but I don't consider it a masterpiece.
If it has to be dark and a masterpiece, I would say King Crimson's Red. It's a tough call though, there's lots of excellent music on that list.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 10:25 |
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Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 10:27 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
can you explain what album of Ash Ra Tempel is called "Same"?
the "dark" meaning is pretty much voiled.
and as I am welcome to disagree on your inclusions, thank you for that , I saw Animals' not dark, Pawn Hearts' not darkest of VdGG, A Passion Play isn't dark, 666's not dark, In Camera's not dark enough.
I don't know what to vote.
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Dark is very subjective, of course. Some think of prog-metal (or growling) as really dark, while others think of the whole genre as a joke.
I still guess 10-15 of these bands/albums are pretty obvious on a list like this. To me Pawn Hearts and In Camera are very dark. A Passion Play is defenatly JT's darkest imo (not that it says a lot), I could easily have chosen another album from most bands included here.
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okay,I'll say "valid" this time.
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 10:37 |
in the absence of any Art Zoyd record, than Univers Zero's Heresie will win this hands down. I never really thought of Comus as dark in the depressive sense (which is what I believe is meant here)?
Comus was pagan , demons etc... >> spooky but not dark.
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 10:38 |
Red!
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 10:51 |
Sean Trane wrote:
in the absence of any Art Zoyd record, than Univers Zero's Heresie will win this hands down. I never really thought of Comus as dark in the depressive sense (which is what I believe is meant here)?
Comus was pagan , demons etc... >> spooky but not dark. |
No, not depressive. I think of First Utterance are dark, destructive and violent (but still highly entertaining). My girlfriend think its one of my darkest albums. She gets uncomfortable by the album's whole atmosphere. I think dark can be a lot of things. None of the albums in the poll are depressing to me. (except for Animals, that I don't really like myself) And defenatly not Heresie. Scary, dark and evil maybe.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 11:07 |
Another interesting poll... Another tough choice...
Opinions vary. For instance, I consider Gnidrolog's second album, Lady Lake, to be darker than In Spite of Harry's Toe-nail. Over for me is darker than In Camera and both Still Life and Godbluff are darker than Pawn Hearts.
There are too many candidates in the poll: A Passion Play, Rock Bottom, Red, In Camera...
Still, I'll vote for Godbluff (i.e., "Other").
Edited by Fassbinder - September 15 2006 at 11:08
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 11:11 |
Holy crap! I don't know more than half of these albums! I'll vote for Red anyway, the darkest of those I know in the list.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 11:24 |
Fassbinder wrote:
Another interesting poll... Another tough choice...
Opinions vary. For instance, I consider Gnidrolog's second album, Lady Lake, to be darker than In Spite of Harry's Toe-nail. Over for me is darker than In Camera |
With Over I can easily understand why, but I actually consider that collection of hopeless love songs to be more depressive, sad and melancholic (which I know can be thought of as dark, too). I was thinking about choosing Silent Corner... instead of In Camera myself. And I find In Spite... a lot darker than Lady Lake... Strange. But Godbluff could very well have been in the poll.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 12:13 |
Rocktopus wrote:
There is a lot of different kinds of darkness and expressions on this list. If you have another dark favorite, please write which one.
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very well said; with this in mind i'm going to refer to Aphrodite's Child - 666 because, although it's not all dark, when it actually is it surpasses anything else i've heard by a band, be it new or old; listening to it i actually found myself thinking at times "so this is what black metal is trying to make me feel" i believe the band managed to get to the concept of apocalypse quite well and that this is in fact an album that will make you feel uncomfortable in some parts, more than any other dark prog album
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 12:26 |
Red - KC
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 12:27 |
Pink Floyd - Animals
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 12:47 |
I haven't heard all in the list, but out of those I have heard, Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh is the darkest if you ask me.
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 12:49 |
Animals is the darkest one of those i've heard
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 12:52 |
Animals is in the lead? Is that supposed to be our dark masterpiece? I might as well just rephrase the question to: What album is the most well known among these?
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 12:55 |
I voted other: King Crimson's "In The Wake of Poseidon"
But my favorite dark album of the seventies is Tim Buckley's "Starsailor". It's pretty proggy, but I don't consider it to be prog.
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 14:27 |
I havent heard it, but inst Jacula supoused to be like the darkest thing ever???
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