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coffeeintheface ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 02 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 397 |
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you lose
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coffeeintheface ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 02 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 397 |
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Is there ANY need to cut someone down like this? He has a very strong point.
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billbuckner ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: May 07 2006 Status: Offline Points: 433 |
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I'm surprised that Supertramp haven't been brought up here.
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Rosescar ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 07 2005 Status: Offline Points: 715 |
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I was thinking the same thing, though some albums/songs aren't that proggy. The most popular songs usually are verse-chorus-verse-flute solo-chorus =( |
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lucas ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138 |
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Nice call, here !
ACT are one of my favourite current prog bands. On stage they are very good. And they are a successful blend of ABBA, Dream Theater, Saga and Queen.
One name comes to my mind when it comes to pop-prog : Kevin GILBERT, cf his early career with 'NRG' and his solo albums. He defined himself 'the shaming of the true' as pop-prog album.
Most of the art-rock bands could be regarded as prog-pop :
Supertramp
Roxy Music
10 CC
Manfred Mann's earthband
Kate Bush
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Harkmark ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 29 2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 538 |
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pop cannot be prog, prog can be pop...
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NecroManiac ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 29 2005 Status: Offline Points: 224 |
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Listen to Doves. Yes, "pop" can be prog. (I hate the term "Dream Pop", it's prog goddamn' it!"
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![]() What's yer faovrite album? =^_^= |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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The reality is that a band can play Prog, POP or borderline music.
BUT:
1.- If a Prog song becomes POP, it ceases to be Prog and becomes Pop.
2.- If a Pop song becomes Prog, it ceases to be Pop and becomes Prog.
3.- If a song is in the limit it's Prog related or borderline but no way a song can be POP and Prog at the same time.
Iván
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21615 |
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I always thought of Shaming of the True as "Art Pop". ![]() |
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Garion81 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2004 Location: So Cal, USA Status: Offline Points: 4338 |
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[QUOTE=Ivan_Melgar_M]The reality is that a band can play Prog, POP or borderline music.
BUT:
1.- If a Prog song becomes POP, it ceases to be Prog and becomes Pop.
2.- If a Pop song becomes Prog, it ceases to be Pop and becomes Prog.
3.- If a song is in the limit it's Prog related or borderline but no way a song can be POP and Prog at the same time.
Iván
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Again if we are talking what was "pop" when prog was popular (the ever popular AOR tag) then people are wrong when they call something like that pop today. No one ever address this. If you think it through is AOR really pop anymore? What does it benefit a band to sound like that today? This is the label I hear put on Spock's Beard, Kansas, The Flower Kings etc. I actually don't get it.
If Neal Morse wrote only AOR music and secular lyrics do you think he is really going to get "popular"?
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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I get your point Garion but for me POP involves much more than popular.
Pop is mainly
Just the opposite of what Prog means. Dark Side of the Moon was popular, but it was a challenging and deep album. Even the most challenging mainstream artists or bands are usually catalogued as "ALTERNATIVE"
Iván
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Gaston ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 26 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 401 |
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no such thing as prog, it's just a silly name we give to a broad spectrum of music we'd like to think of as our own. To be truly prog you must have end point, like start as point A and progess knowingly to point B. If not you're just experimental. Bleh. Experimental.
lol, y'all know i'm joking, you can classify a range of music into prog and damned right we do. you know, i'm involved in making a masterpiece prog album right now, you know how many times i post here a year? i don't care if anyone even reads this post let alone listens to our music. i'm doing this for you, not for us. as soon as you understand that, you'll understand why there is no prog. don't worry about my music either, we'll all be a part of it soon enough. i want everyone to enjoy us, not nit pick us. we do what we want in other words. long live, er... prog. lol Gaston |
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Philéas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419 |
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Pop can definitely be Prog, just as Rock can be Prog. There are plenty
of Pop bands around today whose music show a lot of Prog influence, Mew
and Muse are two good examples, and there are many more. Be open-minded
people!
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Fusionman ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: July 27 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 86 |
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Your phrasing is wrong. Pop is a description of a genre, not a genre its self.
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Not sure Fusionman:
Well, it sounds as a musicall genre to me.
Iván
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SolariS ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 891 |
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HAHAHAHA. GREAT picture in your signature! I also wanted to add this, that I posted in another thread, but I think the idea is still the same. I think we try to call progressive rock a genre, but it's not really. I mean how can "progressive" be a genre. A genre implies something static. It implies sameness. If you really want define a band by it's sameness, then it's not progressive by definition of the word right? Naturally there is some amount of sameness between bands, and that's why we can categorize them at all. I'm speaking very abstractly, but for example you have bands that obviously play something that sounds like metal. If a band that plays metal-like music does something completely new and original with the sound of metal, then it is "making progress" on the sound of metal. In my eyes, the band is worthy of being called a progressive metal band. But if two bands are doing something different in the same way, then one of them can't be progressive. Does this "make a genre"? Well, not really, but it's a good way of characterizing music that people like you and I will enjoy. So in my opinion, a band in ANY subgenre of metal can be progressive. In fact, any band in any genre can be progressive if they are striving for originality. Do you agree? Edited by SolariS - September 09 2006 at 14:25 |
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coffeeintheface ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 02 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 397 |
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I think that's the best point made so far. And thanks for the comment about my signature, haha. I made that in 10 minutes due to boredom. I made a facebook group about it as well, haha.
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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SolariS wrote:
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 09 2006 at 19:12 |
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markosherrera ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 01 2006 Location: World Status: Offline Points: 3252 |
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SIMPLE MINDS,STILTSKIN
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