Should Iron Maiden be classified as Prog-

toolis wrote:      i don't see any progginess in any Iron Maiden track from their debut to Virtual XI... yes, Harris loves art rock and bands like Wishbone Ash and Camel but that's it... i don't see why a former NWOBHM band that serves heavy metal for almost 30 years now with few prog moments in a huge discography should be considered even prog related? and what would be the benefit of that, anyway?

Seventh Son of a Seventh Son was already progressive.

I believe they are more than just Prog Related, aSeventh Son of a Seventh Son is far enough to include them, for God's sake, The Beatles never did any pure Prog but they were influential, Iron Maide is probably the most influential band for Prog Metal.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: I believe they are more than just Prog Related, aSeventh Son of a Seventh Son is far enough to include them, for God's sake, The Beatles never did any pure Prog but they were influential, Iron Maide is probably the most influential band for Prog Metal.   If it wasonly for Ryme of the Ancient Mariner, they woud deserve to be here, but they also have a whole bunch of Prog tracks.   But I'm not a Prog Metal Team Member neither i have premenstrual syndrome.     Iván

Wow, that doesn't sound like the Ivan I once knew. What happened to you?

I listened to Seventh Son again yesterday more closely and I'm sorry to say that it's definitely not a prog album IMO - not even a prog related album. Even the more progressive songs have extended non-prog parts, and these songs are a minority - the album is dominated by blatantly non-prog songs.

Trickster F. wrote: Joren wrote: Trickster F. wrote: Joren wrote: Trickster F. wrote: Mercyful Fate are in no way Prog Metal, and the fact whether or not they are Prog-Related is a different question, and perhaps one difficult to answer. Proto-Prog-Metal?   I don't like the category "Proto-Prog-Metal", speaking honestly. Many bands who are considered that, surely influenced a great variety of metal genres, prog-metal included, but no matter how their influence is undeniable and can not be overlooked, they are very often only remotely close to the sound of Prog. Complexity, unusual time signatures, long songs, keyboards and above average technique are all traits often associated with prog, but each one separately and often even few at once doeth not a prog band maketh. O well, they just sound proggy to me... but what do I know, I'm not a PMS.   You mean you are not a Pre-Menstrual Stress?

Correct.

And I'm not a Prog Metal Specialist either.

Joren wrote: BiGi wrote: Same considerations apply to Metallica: where's the big difference between them and, say, Tool? And they use plenty of complex time signatures... Actually, I'd be surprised to find more than a few similarities between Metallica and Tool. Probably all metal bands after Metallica are influenced by them to some extent, but Tool and Metallica are almost worlds apart, if you ask me.

Well, I thik it's the overall sonority...in my opinion they sound rather alike...
To be honest, however, I have to say that Metallica are definitely more varied as regards song composition...

BiGi wrote: Joren wrote: Hmm interesting. When a few days ago I heard a few songs off "A Matter Of Life And Death" I was bored, and decided to stop listening. But now I just finished listening to "Dance Of Death", which I never thought was great (I always preferred Brave New World) - but now I like it for the first time. Moreover, it has some proggy moments... I think I'll give "A Matter Of Life And Death" another try one of these days. Friends...try the tracklist I published some post ago...

Iron Maiden was once my favourite band and I have all their studio albums (except the newest one), so I'd say I know them pretty well. I also admitted they have a bit of a prog flavour sometimes.

toolis wrote: do you, guys, really believe that Maiden are prog or do you just want to see your fav teen band in the PA so that you can review their LPs, give them all 5 stars and see them climb up the top100?

I find such remarks offensive, both on my own behalf and on that of the people who are supporting IM's induction into PA. I am a Rush fan, but if you look at my reviews, I gave their albums 3 stars more often than 5 - and I object to your using the expression "fav teen band". No one is talking about Back Street Boys or the Spice Girls here, and I don't see any of the people who have been posting in this thread wanting IM in PA in order to see their albums climb up the Top 100. I sure couldn't care less.

As to believing IM are prog, I think you've been a member of PA long enough to see that the definition is hazy to say the least, and that most people won't agree on what constitutes 'prog'. So, there are people who consider Maiden prog, others who don't - as there are those who think 'Close to the Edge' is overrated, and those who consider it a masterpiece.

In any case, I think you (and anybody else) can and should express the same concepts in a way that doesn't sound as unpleasant as the one you used above.

This has been discussed so many times, and not sure how much Prog they have in their music, good band, but as some say they have their moments, so don't know 100%

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: I believe they are more than just Prog Related, aSeventh Son of a Seventh Son is far enough to include them, for God's sake, The Beatles never did any pure Prog but they were influential, Iron Maide is probably the most influential band for Prog Metal.   If it wasonly for Ryme of the Ancient Mariner, they woud deserve to be here, but they also have a whole bunch of Prog tracks.   But I'm not a Prog Metal Team Member neither i have premenstrual syndrome.     Iván